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What's the best length for a podcast?

Posted by: Stephen Baker on June 06, 2006

Six months after doing a podcast with me in New York, Sphere founder Tony Conrad is sitting down for an encore—and he lets the bomb drop. The first podcast, he says, was too long, a bore, a snore. He said it lasted 45 minutes. I bet it was only half that long, but if it seemed like 45 minutes to him, so much the worse.

Then Tony starts telling me how the ideal podcasts are less than two minutes. Two minutes!?

That’s when it becomes clear to me that he and I are on opposite sides of the podcast divide. I listen to podcasts on the iPod. I want them to last at least 10 minutes, because I don’t want to click a fresh one every minute or two, or to make playlists of tiny ones. Tony consumes his podcasts on the computer, not on the go. He looks at podcasts or video shorts as a brief escape from work. And they have to be quick. The guy, after all, runs a start up that competes with Technorati, not to mention Google.

We agree on one thing: 45 minutes is too long (even if in fact it was far less). I limited our latest podcast to 12 minutes. This was especially fortunate, since I screwed up with the recorder on the first take and we had to repeat the whole thing. But still, 12 minutes is far too long for listening or watching a podcast while at work. Should we do mini versions of podcasts for the deskbound?

Reader Comments

Dan Cook

June 6, 2006 02:06 PM

Steve, I'm going to a podcast party tonite. To wit: "EasyStreet/OPB Business Partners Podcasting Party." It's supposed to go from 4 p.m. to 7:30 p.m., so apparently it will break your 12-minute rule, the 45-minute rule and almost certainly the 2-minute rule to which you take exception.

I have no idea what to expect, other than the promised drinks and heavy appetizers. (I don't think podcasters can spell hors d'oeuvre.) EasyStreet is a local online services provider. OPB is Oregon Public Broadcasting. So I'm not sure what exactly they intend to podcast. My question is: What does one wear to a podcast party? Keep in mind this is Portland, but it may be that people around the nation (or even the world!) will be pod-monitering. So I want to look both serious and yet hip, in-the-know but not so in-the-know that it bleeds over into nerdy. Please advise.
Dan

Diane Ensey

June 6, 2006 07:29 PM

I think that 20 minutes is ideal, because you can easily use it when working out. I like listening to one thing while running to keep my mind off the fact that I am running.

Ten minutes wouldn't be too bad, but anything under 5 minutes is useless unless you are very professional and can cram a lot of interesting content into those 5 minutes without the "ums" and "ahs" and boring digressions.

DougH

June 7, 2006 10:41 AM

unny you brought that up-- I feel the same way as Mr. Conrad-- I too listen to podcasts on the desktop, and anything more than 5 minutes is unlistenable to me. I also know that if I listen on the go that I am more likely to tolerate-- and want-- longer podcasts, becuase I can devote my attention to them when I am driving or on the train-- it's all about how you are able to divide your attention.

The question for any podcaster is-- which is your audience most likely to be, desktop or mobile listener?

Robert Freedland

June 7, 2006 03:31 PM

When I podcast, I find that my ideal length is about 20 to 25 minutes. Many of my listeners are commuting to and from work and this works out well for them. On the other hand, maybe they would prefer if I were a bit more concise and spoke about five minutes instead?

If you are like me, if a book or a movie is terrific then whatever length it is, is too short. On the other hand, if you are uncomfortable in your seat, picking at popcorn kernels instead of watching the screen, maybe the problem is the movie (or the podcast) and not the duration.

Maybe some of your readers should stop by and visit my podcast at http://bobsadviceforstocks.podomatic.com and let me know if the my podcast is too long, too short, or just right.

Then again, that reminds of the story of Goldilocks and the Three Bears. She also had a problem determining which podcast was just right.

Dan Cook

June 7, 2006 05:54 PM

Steve, the folks I spoke to at the podcasting party hosted by EasyStreet out here in Portland argued for 2-5-minute-long podcasts. Here's why: They say that most podcast listeners want to aggregate 5-10 podcasts on a single topic and listen to them at their iPods, and a half hour of such pod-bytes is about enough. For instance, if you're going for a jog and you want to know what your 5 or 10 favorite Wall Street podcasters have to say about the Fed's lastest interest rate policy vis a vis inflation, you can harvest a handful and digest them during your jog. You're not looking for deep analysis here, just a range of reactions. Make sense?

steve baker

June 7, 2006 07:02 PM

Dan, the stakes in the "what-to-wear" category are only growing, because there's a very good chance that someone will be video podcasting the event. So that crooked tie of yours or--since it's Portland--drenched anorak, could be popping up on desktops and iPods around the world.

Cortland Coleman

June 8, 2006 01:01 AM

Two minutes is way too short for any meaningful content, IMHO. I tend to stick with podcasts that are at least 10 minutes in length. I consume podcasts via my iPod on the bus during my commuute.

I think that 15-20 minutes is just about right for most podcasts. Of course, those guidelines should be modified based on your topic, audience, etc. For some 3-5 minute podcasts are just fine. For others, 3-5 minutes is just enough time to warm up and get their podcast rolling.

But, if I'm investing the time to subscribe to your podcast, download it to my iPod and listen on a regular basis, I want more than 5 minutes of content. I want something I can sink my teeth into and that takes me at least 10 minutes.

Steve Williams

June 8, 2006 01:11 AM

My movie review podcast clocks in each week at just slightly over fifteen minutes. I couldn't imagine streching it out any longer than that.

Mike

June 8, 2006 06:50 AM

The shorter the better imo.
10-15 minutes should be ideal

dan Cook

June 8, 2006 04:59 PM

Steve, thanks for the fashion tips. The anorak goes into the Good Will bag today.
Dan

Glenn (Customer Service Experience) Ross

June 12, 2006 05:15 PM

The various opinions on the lengths of a podcast remind me of the story of the three blind men and the elephant. Each had a different perspective.

IMHO, you should ask your audience for feedback. Different audiences will prefer different lengths.

But don't say "blah blah" when "blah" will do. Too many podcasts need to cut out every third word.

If you don't know how long your podcast should be, then keep the content relevant. When it's no longer relevant, stop it.

I do podcasts for my employees. Each is a "best practice" podcast consisting of one topic. It's done in a Q and A format so there will be two voices heard ( in an attempt to lengthen the attention span). My first was 16 minutes and needed to be that long. The rest have been under nine minutes.

Moiz Khan

August 28, 2006 01:26 PM

Hello:

I am a post graduate student working toward a doctrate, and my research topic is finding the optimum Podcast/Webcast length. I am very much interested in your finding and also available to share information and do the research. The private learb=ning communties are growing and the ideal and optimum lenght will paly a very important role. It is quite possible that we end up finding more then one length.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Thanks

Moiz Khan

Scott Clark of WebsiteAdvice.com

December 20, 2006 11:05 PM

I think the ideal length of any podcast is exactly as long as the content is engaging and interesting dealt in 22 minute segments. If the length of this content goes beyond commute time of 22 minutes, a cliffhanger and a "part 2" are a good idea.

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