HuffingtonPost facing a dilemma: Too many comments

I understand the whys but moderation really slows down the conversation as I've mentioned before. You are fairly quick but I noticed the message for comments on BW articles says it could take days...or something to that effect. Might as well just go back to snail mail and letters :-)
I think the best method is where someone has to provide a valid email address and click a link to verify the comment like you'll find here...
http://www.tuaw.com/2005/09/08/win-a-2gb-ipod-nano-from-tuaw/
I presume all the Weblog Inc. blogs use this system.
It might not prevent all out of place comments but at least someone with a verified, trackable email address made them and you can then ban the bad users.

Having worked for Arianna, I can say that she's not quite up to speed on the internet. She's a great, smart woman, but like a lot of folks, not aware of the true cost of effort involved to building succesful communities online.

Having built and run large blog communities (Wes Clark campaign), I can say for certain that this is the wrong approach. the best way to deal with comments is to not moderate before posting but rather to allow everything to be posted immediately, and let the community iself vote comments up or down to determine whether they stay published. Nobody likes be censored. If you treat a community right, they will return the favor and do the work for you. But you have to trust them first or they will never trust you.

Steve-

Maybe it's a pretty good idea to let the community indicate what's acceptable. I wonder how comments are expunged according to the community? is there perhaps some way to vote? The downside to this is mob rule. I understand there's also the issue of
brand and quality standards. For instance, BW. Maybe a filter for abusive vocabulary, and the moderator gets veto power on deletion of at-risk submissions? It's great to read the opinions blow back and forth. Got to keep that going. You and Heather also do an okay job of picking topics. But, one of the reasons I keep coming back is that there's a limited amount of careless vulgarity. Browsing around, it seems like not everyone exercises editorial control.

Pete Z.

HuffPost recently changed how they handle links in comments, as I describe here.

The backlog described above doesn't satisfactorily explain how some threads (like Randall Robinson's cannibals) have lots of comments, but others have zero. It also doesn't fully explain how a comment I left at one of fair Arianna's threads was posted fairly quickly. (Unless some celebrities are more equal than others.)

I assumed that the pseudo-pundits themselves approved the comments, but I'm not surprised to learn that they have a team of interns doing it instead.

I don't think mob rule would work too well over there, as most of the people leaving comments seem to be complete idiots.

There are some people whose comments are posted immediately, i.e., within minutes, and others, like mine, that don't get posted for two days. There are obviously privileged users and then ordinary users and its the same old elitism all over again.

Clearly when you have partisans editing out all the content that does not agree with there agenda it causes a backlog.

This is censorship, with a Smile face or arrogance

Only offering edited comments is worse than not offering comments.

I have actually just flat out been banned form HuffPo and I have absolutely no reason why.

I agree with many here, having censored or editing out comments to suit their agenda is worthless and serves no purpose may as well not have comments and that solves the whole problem, of course it also turns the whole site moot.

They need to wake up

One of the reason that post is so popular is that there is a continuous posting of news as it is happening. People can comment on current events immediately.

But I do wish some of the comments there were more civil. People need to realize that they can get their point accross without being so mean.

Huffington Post practices blatant and unforgivable censorship -- mostly when readers disagree with what Arianna HUffington writes!

I have been totally banned for being among the thousands of people furious with HUffington for asking what her readers wanted her to say to Nancy Pelosi during her interview. We all said PUT IMPEACHMENT BACK ON THE TABLE.

Arianna refused to mention it.

Since the backlash again her, censorship at HUffington Post has been rampant. I never cursed at her, or called her foul names, she just can't stand to hear the truth. We're all fed up with her lip service to her readers, then her ass-kissing to people in power.

Just who is this woman and what is her agenda?

About 50% of my comments are censored by the huffingtonpost. When I complained to them about it, the official response I got back was: "We must respect our writers and protect them from inflammatory comments. They too are entitled to free speech- the right to share their opinions without being subject to scathing and mean-spirited remarks. This is not about opinions but the manner in which opinions are expressed."

My first comment at Huffington Post was censored, and then my account posting privileges suspended. My post contained no profanity, nor did it directly impugn the blog author. However, I did criticize his use of a NY Times lay article, which the blog author attempted to use to refute another person's published work that cited peer reviewed scientific journals as a foundation for his argument.

Just saying *that* got my comment censored and my account banned. Wow. It may be Huffington's site, but that kind of ugly censorship of ideas certainly doesn't help with the exchange of ideas. An email I sent to the editors has not been returned.

I was banned - after many liberal posts because I criticized the huffington posts bias coverage of Clinton. I wrote that the pictures she posts for Clinton are always unflattering. No profanity. Nothing outrageous. Just wrote once to criticize the publication as biased after many other posts. Now banned. Even your state newspapers publish criticism of themselves, but the Huff will have none of it. What a hypocrite.

The censorship has gotten completely out of hand, and any comments complaining about that are immediately removed.

I used to use Huffpost as my main source of news and commentary, but removing different points of view means it is no longer reliable.

The best stuff on Huffpost used to be parody and satire. The censors simply do not get dialogue that sophisticated, and delete it.

What really bothers me is the HYPOCRISY of the huffingtonpost's moderation policy. They claim they only reject inflammatory posts or ad hominems but, in fact, they do censor anything that goes outside the small boundaries of their moderate conservative views. Couple of examples: mention that Israel practices apartheid policies and your comment will NEVER be posted. Same thing if you dare to say that maybe --just maybe-- the US government didn't exactly tell the truth about 9/11.

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum."
-- Noam Chomsky

I, too, have been banned from huffington post. Twice. For disagreeing with their sycophantic obsession with Obama. No attacks. Except I did call someone who called Hillary a bitch an asshole. But I thought it warranted.

So far I have seen her called a bitch, a whore and a c*nt at that site. As far as I know, all of those commenters are still on. But when you point out their hypocrisy, you get banned.

I have started a blog called Banned On Huffpo. It's at http://bannedonhuffpo.blogspot.com/.

I'd love to have it become a place where people can express their views without worrying about being censored. Or, I'll just post my own comments, comfortable in the knowledge that I won't ban myself...I think!

I have been banned from HuffPo twice in as many days. These two examples are indicative of my normal posts:

From the post on Cheney's jokes:

"I thought his using "So?" as a punchline was reprehensible. It shows that even in the most innocuous of settings, Cheney is adept at finding ways to injure our fallen troops and trivialize their deaths."

and the one responding to another commenter about the "Gotcha Debate" resulted in my ban:

"Good points. I"m calling it the Establishment vs. Obama Debate. No one of their equivocal ilk wants an anti-establishment (read: PAC-less) candidate to make it to, or have a fair chance in, the general election. This was corporate America and their shills' desperate attempts to sabotage the democratic process."

After months of posting on Huffington, I was suddenly banned. I've always followed their policies; I've never been abusive. The last post I responded to was the one about Emily's List pressuring candidates to vote for Clinton. Now I'm finding that many others are being banned for posting to that same report. What's so sacred to Huffington about Emily's Lit?

I was banned last week from huffington Post. I had published only 2 postings. Here's what they said and you tell me why it is important to never see or read the information. I wrote that a company called CDI Controlled Demolition Inc was doing "work" inside the World Trade Centers on Sat Sept 8th and Sun Sept 9th 2001. Hundreds saw this company coming and going the entire weekend. What was different about that weekend? For the first time in the near 40 year history of the WTC's there was a complete "power down" on only the very tops of the buildings. To more precise...it was at the very level at which the supposed planes had struck the buildings and above. For that I have been banned from ever typing at Huffington Post ever again. I wonder why? Knowing the 911 was a complete and total orchestrated murder would put a damper on our so called war on terror and the other Trillions of dollars worth of illegal causes the US government has been engaged in since then.

I made general comments some dealing with the futility of the Iraq War and others pro Obama/anti Clinton and was banned without the vaguest notion why.

Is there a way to find out why? Are the bans time limited?

I was just banned from HuffPo. I was so baffled that I actually went to my profile page to read through all of the comments I left, looking for clues. I couldn't find any that seemed to violate their guidelines. It left such a bad taste in my mouth. It made me wonder how many (possibly insightful) comments by other users have never made it onto the site.

I have been a poster and loyal fan of Arianna since the inception of Huffington Post in 2005. I've never used abusive language in any of my postings yet I was banned last week without any explanation. None, nothing. I emailed them but no response. I would expect such treatment from the cold war era Kremlin or other similar entities but not from a liberal blogs I have been a member of for years.

I, too, was suddenly and inexplicably BANNED from commenting on HuffPo. This happened four days ago and I've written to the "info" email addy, the "customer-care" email addy, and the "technical problem" pop-up box which has four choices for bothering them, including "I've Been Banned". No one, not one of them, will tell me what hideous offense I've committed. I'm really ticked off because I've always been polite to others. I'm not a spammer. My final comments were about the disgusting "Starving Dog" art exhibit. What the heck? I don't have any idea what I might have done wrong, if this is a permanent BAN with no recourse or what. This is terrible treatment of "community members".I've been looking for another site where I can comment, but haven't found one with a similar format. I do like the way HuffPo is set up.

Well, either I complained enough or the response I finally received this morning is the truth..."a momentary glitch where our filters became overly sensitive.... not your fault.... valued community members..." Hmm.. I thought all comments were being moderated by live people. In any event, I'm now UNBANNED!!!

Anyone else checked back to see if they're now UNBANNED?

Count me in as one of the banned.

I'm pretty sure it was for a comment I made on the "thread about nothing" that was up last week. HuffPo had a post up that promised a developing story about Hillary's dismissive attitude toward MoveOn.org. The whole thread was taken over by jocularity & tomfoolery - no telling how many were banned because of that one.

I also wrote to HuffPo asking for an explanation and/or some indication of whether the ban is permanent - still no reply. The funny thing is, I have some time on my hands in the evenings, so I was going to volunteer as a moderator...

I was banned for no apparent reason the
other day. I never used profanity.
Yet, you will see many, many horrendous comments and rumors about Clinton on there, and it doesn't appear anyone is
banning that.

I think I was banned for posting a link of the Senate vote on a bill to stop the Feds from confiscating legal fire arms in a disaster or national emergency. I posted it on different threads. I thought it very significant.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00202

I was also banned about week ago. I have no idea why. Although it does seem that vulgar comments and ad homenym attacks are ok with the moderaters. I don't do either of these things. I did however have the temerity to criticize the use "huffpost pick" which I think is silly. Maybe that's how I got on their bad side. Censorship on a blog such as that one is disturbing so I won't go back to that site again. Can anyone recommend a similar site that post commentary and the latest in political news?

I too have been banned at Huffpo. I had posted hundreds of times and suddenly I am banned. I don't have the slightest idea as to why. Email queries asking why get no answer.

Can someone start a new site called "Banned at Huffpo" which would be similar to Huffpo but for us, the banned?

I think the banning is done too lightly. Apparently one moderater doesn't like a couple of posts, or even one post, and that's it - you're caput - no farewell either.

I'd been commenting for about six months on the HuffPost. I felt as though I was a member of a community. One day recently I was banned. I looked around and wondered why. I once replied to my own comment in order to add someting I thought was of value. Not sure if that is was a prob. I have often written, well written I believe, comment about politicians which spoke to their positions. I have written some verse in that regard. I stay away from, but I have used, dashes within letters to generate a rare p-------y. Nothing at all like what I am reading on the main articles being commented on. I have written a bit of verse and have used a couple (with some changes)more than once. Just a few and that was two no more than three times. Not spam as I understand it. Well. I think a comment of mine ran counter to someone's political view. I'm almost certain of it. Well, I learned how to keep unnecessary words out of my copy and picked up some other better writing clues empirically. I put a lot of time into what I was writing (retired). I see this string of comments here has been going on for a few years now. By the way, I sent an email to HuffPost asking why I was banned. No response. Well, Ive got my life back and am writing elsewhere. I'm not editing this note here so please forgive any mistakes. I'd still like to make comment there I must say -addicted.

Wow! "Why, Oh Why's" comment above prompted me to try again. I too am now able to comment again. I really do think that HP must have so much traffic that occasional problems surface. I did send an email and I guess it takes a little time. No need for a reply. The fact that "Why, Oh Why" and I write superior copy certainly factors in here too. I feel sorry for the others, who I will enrage by saying that they are wrong and "Why, Oh Why" and I are right. Just kidding of course. I'd try sending another email. They are busy I know. Good luck.

I was banned from that extremist site as well. They posted an essay by Gary Hart which argued that Clinton is a traitor to the party, blah blah blah. I did some research and found a NY Times article which analyzed his EXTREMELY caustic criticisms of Mondale and Carter. He said that Carter/Mondale were "inept" and that Reagan would rather run against Mondale that Hart. Of course, I exposed his hypocrisy. Next thin you know, I'm blocked. Who needs that silly witch anyway....She's nothing but a front for the Obama campaign.

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Today seems to be a rather problematic day for attempting to post comments at the Huffington Post.

Yesterday I found that a few of my comments failed to appear.

When I post comments and the like, consistently I am courteous, and never do I use language that anyone would find offensive.

I understand that there are many people attempting to comment at the same time, and things must get bogged down at times. Still, I am wondering why so many difficulties were encountered last night and today.

Banned for exposing Trolls. What a wonderful site HuffPo has become. They allow the same cut-n-paste incindiary language, then ban you when you take 'em on. Starting to get really grossed out with the whole site.

Gee. I thought it was me! Count me among the intermittently banned and constantly censored.

Whatever you do, don't use the word "Marxist" in the same comment with "Obama."

At least I'm in good company being banned from HuffPo. Sure, they have a "right" to ban whatever they don't like, but those kinds of capricious policies go against the very spirit of their pseudo-liberalism. They are banning all of us because they don't agree with our opinions, not because we've been profane or attacked anyone directly. Shame on Huffington Post for being just as disingenuous as the Bush administration. Is Karl Rove working for you now, Arianna?

I posted earlier that I was banned at Huffpo. I sent a message to info@huffingtonpost.com saying I was "very sorry and contrite" but that I had no idea what I had said that caused me to be banned. Sent another one 3 days later, a little different wording.. And then I found I could post again, I was unbanned at huffpo.

I have apparently been "soft banned" from HuffPo. Sometimes my comments are posted, sometimes not, either way, they're ALWAYS subject to that irritating "Post pending" nonsense. When it comes to Arianna's unpaid, volunteer Mod Squad...well, what can I say? You get what you pay for, dear.
And now that HuffPo's most recent obstacle to free-flowing debate, "To See Additional Comments Click Here", has been unleashed, even more longtime posters are leaving the site.
What a shame! What a waste!

I miss the HuffPo as it used to be : comments appearing as soon as posted, chronological order, sarcasm and name calling.

It used to be full of spontaneity and real funny.

And I miss Minneapolis Mike and his posts full of irony.

But I won't miss Bush.

So if HuffPo must ban and censor so as for the progressive posts not to be used against Obama, well let it be.

Well....it appears I am at least not alone. In recent weeks, posting on Huffington has been pivotal in saving my sanity re the Primary. I am also a published writer and, OK, increasingly renegade to some.

Over time....I earned humnbling number of fans at Huffington where I went fro prolific to, OK compulsive. Today I was banned. I do think, this AM, I may have crossed a line in Salsa-like & increasingly deadly, subtly ironic countering of a troll who made my tummmy hurt. As someone here pointed out, they ain that good with dark humor or acute sardonicism. So I must take responsibility if this is true.

But I feel terrible. I will not lie about it. I emailed and hope I might amends short of anything Faustlike which I would rather eat worms than do.....and be reinstated.

I am hurting. Also grateful to have found his outpost for the outres.

Jill

On three separate occasions I have applied for an account at HuffPo but have never been accepted and allowed to comment. Considering that I regularly post on major sites such as New York Magazine without incident, this took me by surprise.
It appears that HuffPo has morphed into a propaganda site. Arianna has gone from good girl to bad girl...from liberal to fascist. You know what they say...You can take the girl out of the Republicans but you can't take the Republican out of the girl.

The HP censors most right wing and even centrist posts especially where Obama is discussed in the blog. The HP is focused on demonizing McCain and Bush and they allow a few posts in support of Republicans. Goebbels would be proud of Arianna Huffington; yes,she is that bad.

The Huffington Post is a surrogate for the powerful Bilderberg Group. That Group uses the Tavistock Institute doctrine of crafting both sides of an argument and leading the population to the exact desires of the Bilderbergs.

You have to read the Estulin book on the Bilderberg Group to get this meaning.

The Bilderbergs have under their international membership the heads of the major media organizations. Inside the Internet, they cultivate blog sites to stay on message for either side of an argument.

In this case, Huffington supports Obama, therefore she curbs most posts that are anti-Obama. Other blogs are pro McCain and anti-McCain posts will be censored.

It is easy to do in the U.S. because of the 2 party state. You have no political choice other than the two party heads.

In this election, McCain is Bilderberg controlled and so too is Obama. They don't care which candidate wins, the winner will follow the Bilderberg dictated global agenda.

You can quickly check Huffington's site and search for "Bilderberg". Lo and behold there pops up Vernon Jordon's bio. His bio reports his membership in the Bilderbergs, the U.S. Council on Foreign Relations and The Trilateral Commission. All 3 organizations are interlocked and are marching the continents towards globalization with the goals of a feudalistic ruler and dramatic global depopulation.

Huffington bans any post quoting a Bilderberg reference or statement about them. Therefore she is Bilderberg controlled.

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Try suggesting that there is an Israeli connection to 9/11 by merely referencing one of the many documented facts and you'll be censored.

I was banned from Huffpo and Crooks and liars for stating that they were hypocrites for going after China for imposing censorship, yet they practice it openly. On C and L, they even threatened to post a user's email address. It was funny because this poster defended them at first (which got a positive response from the site monitor), after which I explained more in detail why I thought their form of censorship was wrong (the website is in the public domain, their website is supported by advertising and donations from readers). He changed his mind and then he was banned. John Amato is a feckless coward and hypocrite.

Well, its been almost four months since my "banning" experience. I was "unbanned" in due time and it hasn't happened again, yet.

My biggest gripe is the censorship. I looked at my stats and was shocked to see that 153 of my comments had been deleted.

I looked at a few other people's profiles and didn't see ANY that had their comments removed. That makes me seem really awful.

I've written to them at the "info: addy asking what rules I've broken, but no one will tell me. Kinda like when they banned me; they don't have to explain themselves.

There must be another political blog in a similar fashion that treats people like adults. I'm sick of the HuffPo tactics.

Has anyone here gone elsewhere?

I was just banned today. I had 5 comments deleted, don't know why. 5 out of 65 that were posted. I never violated any of their rules. It seems that "free speech" does not truly exist at the Huffington Post. It's sad, it was my favorite website, now I have to find some other place to get my news.

wow - who knew i was in the same boat as a heck of a lot of other people when it comes to HuffPost! i have been a loyal visitor and poster to HuffPost since its inception in 2005. i've posted more than 1,000 comments (according to my profile), had many "friends" who listed me as their "favorite," and was, like others here, shocked to see my "stats" recently. i've had 30 comments scrubbed! and great news - this week i was banned! so much for loyalty!

while i am very political and commented initially on all things political, i spend a lot of time commenting in the entertainment section because it's fun, it's relaxing.

the few times i've commented in the past year or so on the "celebrity blogger" posts has been to generally put their feet to the fire of their own posts. what i discovered was the old saying "they can dish it out, but they can't take it."

i am a democrat - i am also an obama supporter. but the sheer nastiness of the majority of news articles AND comments in regard to hilary clinton made me nauseous. i began to defend clinton when the blogger or commenter was just unbelievable in their comments. i assume that is why some 30 of my posts were scrubbed.

i also assume that the reason i am now banned is due to a recent comment on one of their favorite celebrity bloggers column. this blogger posted a column that was the most mean spirited and inaccurate blog about clinton at the dem convention i'd read at the site AND called clinton a narcissist. that may or may not be true, but i laughed out loud because the celebrity blogger herself is a hollywood narcissist, has posted many blogs to support this notion. i'd been a fan of this blogger for more than 30 years, and after posting that, i went on to point out that perhaps she had more personal issues with hilary than she was owning up to. i felt her comments had more to do with the personal, not the political.

banned.

wow. HuffPost needs to stop calling itself a liberal blog. it is still filled with the c word and the f word, attacks on women, attacks on clinton, etc. god forbid you go against their agenda.

and yes, HuffPost has an agenda. i just don't have to buy it and go to the site daily anymore just to give arianna "clicks" to entice more advertisers.

rip, Huffington Post.

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I was banned instantly.

They said that McCain could no longer criticize Obama for not wearing a flag-pin, as he did not wear one one day. I said that not wearing one on occasion is not the same as refusing to wear one.

Instant ban.

HP censors whatever they do not agree with. Thought provoking and insightful posts are deleted, while nonsensical meaningless comments are posted. Conduct your own experiment.

Got banned for pointing out the irony of Obama going on O'Reilly to praise the Surge(tm). How stupid do they think we are?

HP is fast becoming obsolete. The world has had enough of all the opinion-herding.

I've also been banned from the Huff Post, something like being put on the "NO FLY" list.

There must be thousands of readers who spend time writing in with the mistaken impression that their input will be published.

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The Trojan Moose is possibly the best concept I have heard.

I am thinking of Palin's 'lip sick' joke and republican one liners that win elections

I speek of the democrats weakness for finding, developing, or creating one line opportunities.

I am sure that very bright people would think off such things and that I would not likely come up with anything myself.

OK
That is not happening

More 'lip sick' jokes

What is the difference between a
Trojan Moose
and a
Trojan Horse......

Lipstick

I understand the idea of not being distracted by Palin, however, if we can get her on the ropes and keep her there it would help.

I know there are many bright people like you working on this election.

Finding one line comments are what the republicans do well

What can the democrats do to beat them at their own game.

thank you for your great work

curtis

They want the hits if they can get them. There are rumors that HuffPo is for sale for $200 million.

I don't go over there anymore. Too much DNC party establishment preaching disguised as objective journalism.

Well, it looks like a lot of us will be posting on "banned by huffpo" if someone will start the site.
I was finding about 8-9% of my profound Leftist thought was being deleted.
...no profanity, ad hominem, on topic............just banned because I have the temerity to point out that Obama never got into the fray.
I've voted Dem since 1966, and pardon me, but the yuppie trustfunders who 'moderate' over there are looking for jobs in an Administration that may never materialize because of the enforced perception of timidity.
Go figure.....and hello to all the newly freed among us.
Remember to listen to Mike Malloy.

I've been banned twice and will probably be banned a third time. You can talk trash, cuss or how nice PALIN is, but if you comment on something innocuous, you're banned? I think they have Republican moles doing their moderating. There are definitely things that will get you banned. Ron Paul; Bilderburg; impeachment; Pelosi, Reid and Rockefeller being corrupt etc. etc. I read one recently (I think it slipped through) saying the Homeland Security is monitoring the site now. Slick propaganda is what HuffPo has turned out to be. The "Tokyo Rose" of the new millenium.