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How Low Will Apple Go On Price?

Posted by: Peter Burrows on October 19

Apple had plenty of highlights to impart on its earnings conference call with analysts today. The company enjoyed its highest profit margins ever, recorded record Mac and iPhone sales, and posted revenue growth of 12% and profits growth of 18% for the full year. Those are numbers most companyies would gladly accept in good years—and could only dream of in the worst one in fifty years.

But maybe the most important message was in CFO Peter Oppenheimer’s comments on the topic of pricing. While Apple has made noises about getting more aggressive in the past, so far the move down market has been very limited. It sells that old white MacBook for $999, for example. But Oppenheimer repeatedly said that the company planned to deliver “greater value to consumers” in the quarters ahead. He cited lower ASPs (average selling prices) as a reason why those record gross margins will come down from 34% to more like 30% in the current quarter. And COO Tim Cook talked about “closing the umbrella,” so that rivals with lesser products couldn’t steal business simply by offering lower pricetags.

So what does this mean? It’s possible prices for existing products may not come down much, but that the company will simply bring out new products with lower ASPs. Clearly, that could include the much-rumored iTablet—though my sources don’t expect that until 2010. Or maybe there’s a mystery product the rumor sites haven’t caught wind of yet. Or maybe Apple plans to lower that old white MacBook to $900 or come out with a sub-$1000 iMac — moves that Sanford Bernstein analyst Toni Sacconaghi thinks could expand Apple’s available market for portable PCs by 50%.

Either way, it’s bad news for PC rivals looking for a means to stem Apple’s market share gains. And it’s probably bad news for me in a more limited way, since I bet my boss Peter Elstrom a dinner that Apple wouldn’t significantly slash prices. Peter figured the time was right, given the still tough economy and Apple’s desire to take the steam out of Microsoft’s Windows launch. We should know the winner soon enough.

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Reader Comments

Perry Clease

October 20, 2009 09:21 AM

It seems to me that after consumers have gotten used to cheap then it would be hard to raise Mac and iPod prices when it becomes necessary.

The English Language

October 20, 2009 10:21 AM

"company’s"?

Is Business Week being staffed by illiterate teenagers?

Alex

October 20, 2009 10:34 AM

Company's would gladly accept?

Townsend Harris

October 20, 2009 10:47 AM

Is Business Week staffed by illiterates? I doubt it.
Instead, I'll guess there's less time and money for copy editing.

econamike

October 20, 2009 10:51 AM

To "The English Language":

Are you the Grammer Police? What, you can't understnad the story's "message" because of the word "company's".

Why don't you buzz off and go make fun of some foreigner's accent.

Yacko

October 20, 2009 11:01 AM

"It seems to me that after consumers have gotten used to cheap then it would be hard to raise Mac and iPod prices when it becomes necessary."

Exactly. A major price decrease infects the whole product line well into the future. I do, however, expect Apple to price "fun" consumer devices like the tablet extremely carefully to try and offer value. Something I advocate, one way for them to lower prices, is a one time "cash for clunkers" program. Apple has the free cash to absorb the hit, that is to offer eye-popping one time subsidies for anyone bringing in an XP or earlier Windows machine they still use on a daily basis. Converts plus publicity.

Joe Stevens

October 20, 2009 11:26 AM

Bringing down Mac prices is a smart move on Apples part I think. They have such a diverse product line that they can afford to lower Mac prices now. They have to be carful not to go to cheap though, they don't want to get in a price fight with Dell and the others for cheap customers whom only shop based on price. They need to get to the customers whom are willing to pay a little bit more for quality.

mark

October 20, 2009 11:37 AM

Peter, you seemed to have used last year's conference call transcript; that's when Oppy said going from 34 to 30 on margin and Cook talked about umbrellas. Last night, Oppy said going from 36 to 34 on margin, and Cook/Oppy talked about providing "greater" and "ever increasing" value to their customers.

What was Oppy/Cook talking about last year? Don't know exactly but it was probably the iPod touch, MacBooks, and possibly $99 iPhone. What are they talking about now? Don't know but we'll see, possibly as soon as the Apple Store comes back online.

Long time apple watcher

October 20, 2009 11:43 AM

To Econamike:

Based on what you wrote, I can see why someone expecting high standards from a professional publication would touch a nerve for you... "good enough" isn't, despite millions of people settling for such. It's appalling what passes for copy-editing these days (not just here but for many "professional" organizations). I surely won't pay for poor communication skills if the day comes where all news is behind a paywall (as, in a separate thought, Murdoch seems to think it will be.)

As an "on topic comment":

I'm sure part of the announcement of lower margins is Apple's continued under-promise/over-deliver, but I also do think there will be a hit on margins. Apple has been hinting to this for a while; in hindsight, it's probably going to be one of those things where the roadmap is right in front of us, we just don't see it.

What's coming up in the competitive landscape (an incomplete list, of course)?

* droid/Verizon device attacks
* AT&T failures/Verizon network attacks
* other Android players
* Microsoft Stores
* some form of "right" netbook/cheap ASP PCs
* Holiday market
* Discretionary spending still under intense pressure as unemployment in the US (and elsewhere) continues to rise, the consumer mortgage situation is still not bottomed out, and significant turmoil still expected to surface in the commercial real estate food chain (which may lead to more job losses in the US).

Known or suspected Apple responses:

* suspected tablet/larger-than-iphone-smaller-than-macbook portable device
* expanded iPhone markets
* (now) lower pricing of existing models?
* (speculated) multiple devices in the pipeline at lower price points (though, if typical, Apple's margins on new kit are designed to be high)

What does it all mean? Wish I knew, but new devices are more likely than widespread and significant price cuts. "Value"? Apple has, time and again, proven that for Apple, value != price; look for some other measurement than price to be the overriding result of Apple's efforts.

Macsdounix

October 20, 2009 03:07 PM

Not low at all, would be the answer. Apple didn't cut a dime from the cost of the Mac Mini, iMac or MacBook. The MacBook especially seems incredibly high priced in the current marketplace.
Typical.
Looks like we need a "Desktop Hunters" series of ads from Microsoft to get the price lowered on the Mini and iMac.

econamike

October 20, 2009 04:25 PM

To "Long Time Apple Watcher":

I am more interested in accurate facts than in grammer.

I think you made my point with your statement "I surely won't pay for poor communication skills..."

Are you telling me that you didn't understand the story (it wasn't "communicated") because of a single apostrophe?

If that's the case, you need help.

Now run along and go make fun of some foreigner with an accent.

Spell Check

October 20, 2009 05:38 PM

It's now "companyies" for some reason. Close, but not there yet.

Not Just Spell Check

October 20, 2009 05:41 PM

To "Econamike"

As a long-time journalist, every error — from spelling to grammar to fact — reduces your accuracy and calls into question everything else you produce. If you can't spell or use proper language, how can you be trusted to get more complex issues correct?

Not Just Spell Check

October 20, 2009 05:41 PM

To "Econamike"

As a long-time journalist, every error — from spelling to grammar to fact — reduces your accuracy and calls into question everything else you produce. If you can't spell or use proper language, how can you be trusted to get more complex issues correct?

Oh, and now it's "companyies" now.

Long time apple watcher

October 20, 2009 06:00 PM

Econamike:

"Why don't you buzz off and go make fun of some foreigner's accent."

"Now run along and go make fun of some foreigner with an accent."

Why do that when I can shoot fish in a barrel here with you and your repetitive "comebacks" and a demonstrated lack of understanding that the point is twofold; the grammar errors themselves (which might be excused by the fact this is a blog and possibly not run through the same processes as "content") and the potential lack of "attention to detail" (which is not a failing of just this publication)? Consistent or repetitive lack of attention to detail leads to "inaccurate facts" through typos, single source information, and incomplete analysis.

Of course, critical thinking on the part of the receiver is as important an element of communication as correctly imparting information by the giver. Too bad awareness of that fact and presence of that behavior are missing far too often in our "the rules don't matter any more", "blogged today so it must be true", "the quality of the source doesn't matter" screamfest we call internet news these days.

Anyway, again, on topic...

Price cuts aren't there yet based on today's announcements (and in fact, appear to be the reverse, unbundling features such as the remote from the iMac, without a change in base pricing). Value? There it is, though, with the larger monitors and improved CPUs, also on the iMac.

Magic mouse? Same price as old mouse, but possibly nifty new features.

MacBook? The song remains the same with updated features and a consistent price.

The author may not have to pay on the dinner bet after all...

Robert Silver

October 21, 2009 06:33 AM

Apple does not need to reduce prices if their products and services continue to be so so desirable. The services Apple supplies through iTunes to all its products are extremely sticky and it will take competitors years to catch up or better these services.

Dennis

October 21, 2009 02:30 PM

"I am more interested in accurate facts than in grammer"

Apparently you're not interested in spelling, either

Spinkys

October 24, 2009 05:26 PM

Apparently I was told it's because the release of the windows7 that made apple decrease prices, is this true :O? (althought I think it's a load of rubbish)

sanjib karmakar

November 2, 2009 01:54 AM

iwant to be bye apple 3gs i phone, how can i purchases it. and its purchases how many dollar? pls acknowledge as soon as possiable.

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