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April 03, 2007

My War on Lou Dobbs

Steve Hamm

It's true. I admit it. I harbor ill will towards Lou Dobbs, the bloviating CNN anchor. Every time I see him promoting himself as the hero of the American middleclass, I practically choke. While he may have some sincere concern for Americans who suffer the negative effects of globalization, he operates by exploiting hate and fear. In my book, that makes him dangerous--not just to the Latin Americans and Indians and other foreigners that he demonizes, but to the middleclass Americans whom he claims to care about.

This came up today because I made a speech about the rise of the Asian economies at a state university in New Jersey this morning, and one of the faculty members asked me if I think we're in for a wave of protectionism. I worry that we are. Dobbs’ scheme for building walls on our borders to keep out people from Mexico and the rest of Latin America are just plain crazy. And the fact that nobody seems to be calling them crazy is even crazier.

Here we are locked in two wars in the Middle East, and the Bush administration seems intent on starting another one, and Dobbs and his allies decide that the big threat to our society is brown people sneaking into our country to mow our lawns and take care of our children.

My big concern is that a number of politicians, Republican and Democrat, will decide that the Dobbsian platform is one they should run on. And, if they win, we’ll have all sorts of new knee-jerk protectionist policies designed to pander to a fearful middleclass rather than promoting a rational and well-balanced globalization policy.

Besides, it seems to me the American middleclass is pretty well off. It’s the workingclass and poor who have plenty to complain about. We’d all be better off if the Congress would forget about the phony crisis of immigration and concentrate on doing things that improve the health, education, and job opportunities for America’s less fortunate masses. That would be a worthy cause for Dobbs to get behind, too.

05:05 PM

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Tracked on April 4, 2007 03:39 PM

Your comment: 'big threat to our society is brown people sneaking into our country to mow our lawns and take care of our children.' is disingenuous and clever. Mr. Dobbs does not care about race, but about illegals breaking the law. They trivialize the law and lead to lower living standards. That is what is of concern.

Mexico's immigration laws are far more robust than america's. Mexico's law are what america's should be.

Posted by: ag at April 3, 2007 09:37 PM

Junk like this doesn't merit a reply, but the fact that it's at a major magazine is a bit surprising.

1. Dobbs doesn't want to block all immigration from Latin America as stated.

2. There's much more to illegal immigration than just instances of people sneaking across the border. For instance, the political power the MexicanGovernment has been able to obtain inside the U.S., massive illegal immigration being an indicator of massive PoliticalCorruption, and so forth.

Come to think of it, BW did promote businesses profiting from illegal activity a while back, so junk like this isn't that surprising after all.

Posted by: TLB at April 4, 2007 02:25 AM

Steve,

You care for Bangalore Tigers and Lou cares about

America.

And you hate him for this.

And we like Lou.

Very experienced and employed engineering

professional.

Posted by: swtep at April 4, 2007 02:52 AM

by Chuck Baldwin

Thank God For Lou Dobbs

March 31, 2007 03:16 PM EST

Over the years, I have been as outspoken a critic of the mainstream press as anyone. For one thing, the vast majority of mainstream media celebrities seem infatuated with liberal politicians. For example, popular news hosts are going gaga in the way they cover the presidential campaign of Senator Barak Obama. Of course, this is standard operating procedure for the majority of the mainstream media. Is it any wonder that so many people across America have serious disdain for America's major news makers?

Furthermore, if CNN is the "Clinton News Network," FOX News is the "Bush News Network." For instance, Sean Hannity is nothing more than a shill for Republicans in general and George W. Bush in particular. The same is true for Rush Limbaugh and countless other media dignitaries.

Genuinely objective reporting is almost nonexistent in today's mainstream media. They all seem to be little more than lap dogs for big-government media moguls, distracting the American public with incessant "news" coverage of Anna Nicole Smith and Britney Spears, while providing almost no coverage of the really important issues impacting America's future survival. Thank God, there is one exception: CNN's Lou Dobbs.

Day in and day out, Lou Dobbs dares to address the truly salient issues that most newsmen are either too ignorant or too afraid to address. For example, Dobbs is the one member of the mainstream press that is willing to not only address the subjects of illegal immigration, the erasure of our national borders, the loss of our national sovereignty, and the burgeoning North American Union, but he courageously tells the truth about it all.

Furthermore, among the national mainstream media, it has been Lou Dobbs, and only Lou Dobbs, that has been willing to challenge the Bush administration's pathetic capitulation to the Mexican government in prosecuting and imprisoning Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, while at the same time giving a confessed Mexican drug dealer amnesty so that he might testify against the agents.

I'm not sure how Lou Dobbs became the courageous champion that he is, or how it is that CNN lets him speak out as freely and forthrightly as he does, but I am sure glad he is on the air. His is a lone but powerful voice for truth amidst a cacophony of phony-baloney "news" reporting and downright propaganda.

If you want to get the "straight scoop" on the issues that are currently threatening America's national sovereignty and independence, Lou Dobbs is your man. Personally, I thank God for Lou Dobbs.

(c) Chuck Baldwin

Posted by: Dustin at April 4, 2007 03:37 AM

Well said. It's ironic that the progressive world today (mostly) still loves and apes America, but Americans themselves are besieged by self-doubt.

Posted by: Shekar Sarma at April 4, 2007 04:07 AM

I happen to think that Lou Dobbs is right on the money.

The unbridled invasion from all points of the globe has many negative effects on our culture, resources and economy.

Globalization is good for the equity partners,corporations and government short term - but has devastating effects on jobs, our security and culture (society as a whole).

When you outsource manufacturing - you outsource and retire proprietary technology, loose basic and middle mgt jobs and geopolitical independence if not security.

How many industries do you plan to retire? Where will we work? Nope, I am not sold on globalization as implemented.

Posted by: Bruce R. Wing at April 4, 2007 09:12 AM

I, and many of friends and family are grateful to have someone of such prominence, and integrity who is making these weak politicians who have taken an oath to enforce our laws on illegal immigration, accountable for their constant inaction. We have got to discourage this illegal activity. Our country's resources are finite. Let's enforce our laws, and through attrition rather than another amnesty, we'll have a grasp on this illegal activity.

Posted by: Fred DuSell at April 4, 2007 10:00 AM

Lou Dobbs got his point clear, to keep the wages of middle class up compared to rest of world.

For a country which has its roots in capitalism, this happens only when the skill set of the middle class is better than that of the rest of the world. For this the middle class here (currently enjoying a clear economic and social advantage) has to take the initiative to improve their competitiveness.

If they close the borders, the investment from companies will flow into countries like China/India improving the skill set of people there. Look what's happening to India, the visa restrictions cause more smart people to stay back and start companies which compete with IBM etc!.

In short Lou Dobbs intention seems good but the way to do it is the most pathetic one I have seen.

Posted by: Harish at April 4, 2007 10:07 AM

I agree completely with your comments on Lou Dobbs. He does not speak for me.

Posted by: James Rohrig at April 4, 2007 10:17 AM

Hamm wrote: "Besides, it seems to me the American middleclass is pretty well off. It’s the workingclass and poor who have plenty to complain about."

The working class have been systematically stripped of access to middle class wages & our urban centers (& nation) suffer the consequences. All in the name of "globalization" &/or "free" trade (which it aint) which unconstitutionally denys the fed govt the ability to levy tariffs.

Please consider that tariffs are one of the few CONSTITUTIONAL methods for the Fed govt to raise money. "Globalization" or "free" trade is shorthand for exporting taxpayer & shareholder subsidized US corporate profits rather than reinvestment into our communities & citizens.

No responsible, caring, & involved citizen would conduct themselves in such a narrcissistic & unethical manner. This clearly puts paid to the SCOTUS decision, in the 1800's, which equates civil rights w corporate rights.

Best Regards

Posted by: OhioOrrin at April 4, 2007 10:24 AM

May US get many more Doubs. Will make them more protectionist (like India for 45 yrs) . This in turn will reduce their dominance in technology, defence, movies. And i feel, with presidents like Bush this is best thing which could happen to world. How happy i am with creature called Doub. Keep it up buddy.

Posted by: Sandeep K at April 4, 2007 11:08 AM

Here is evidence that Lou really does speak for the middle class:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/biztech/04/04/tech.visas.ap/index.html

From the CNN article:

"SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services says it reached its limit for 2008 H-1B visa petitions in a single day and will not accept any more, to the dismay of technology companies that rely on the visas to hire skilled foreign workers."

and then...

"Employers seek H-1B visas on behalf of scientists, engineers, computer programmers and other workers with theoretical or technical expertise. In Microsoft Corp.'s case, about one-third of its 46,000 U.S.-based employees have work visas or are legal permanent residents with green cards, said Ginny Terzano, a spokeswoman for the company."

The technology industry is trying to devalue scientists at the same time Bill Gates goes to American schools to promote science education.

That's a Lou Dobbs story. It should be a Business Week story, too.

Barbara

Posted by: Barbara at April 4, 2007 11:19 AM

Lou Dobbs' ideas start out well enough -- and they do not need to be defended. What is painful to see is the way he harps on them in a dry, sulky way.

Is he an editor, or a newsman? Should he give equal time to others? Does he truly believe that the high wages and benefits of the "workingman" are sustainable in the global economy?

What if foreign countries shut out US companies? Would GM be even remotely close to breaking even? Would Chrysler be alive today? What about Ford? All these companies offset their north american loss-producers with profits from foreign subsidiaries. Then there is IBM, Google, and others that depend on being in foreign countries.

Dobbs can't have his cake and eat it too. Hidind behind protectionism is not the way to solve the problems he outlines. Unfortunately, his conversations and relentless themes are like an overdose of chocolate fudge and they are not what a reputable news outlet should dispense on a daily basis.

Posted by: ehferault at April 4, 2007 11:22 AM

Lou Dobbs' ideas start out well enough -- and they do not need to be defended. What is painful to see is the way he harps on them in a dry, sulky way.

Is he an editor, or a newsman? Should he give equal time to others? Does he truly believe that the high wages and benefits of the "workingman" are sustainable in the global economy?

What if foreign countries shut out US companies? Would GM be even remotely close to breaking even? Would Chrysler be alive today? What about Ford? All these companies offset their north american loss-producers with profits from foreign subsidiaries. Then there is IBM, Google, and others that depend on being in foreign countries.

Dobbs can't have his cake and eat it too. Hidind behind protectionism is not the way to solve the problems he outlines. Unfortunately, his conversations and relentless themes are like an overdose of chocolate fudge and they are not what a reputable news outlet should dispense on a daily basis.

Posted by: ehferault at April 4, 2007 11:22 AM

Steve, I agree with you. But what do you think will it take to change this widespread Dobbsian protectionist mentality in Amercia? How we can we convince the Dobbisans out there to adopt a more "well-balanced globalization policy"-friendly mindset?

Posted by: Lim Dik Tao at April 4, 2007 11:22 AM

There is some truth to issues like Americans losing jobs to foreigners, reduction in consumer satisfaction, ever increasing expenses in living standards, growing inflation compare to the growth in salary. But this heat is not just for middle class. This is for everybody except the top 15%, whose house hold income more than $120K. Since most of Americans “used” to be in middle class, he took a theme which is appealing for his audience (War against Middle Class). But In my mind he is either confused or a typical hypocritical or maybe less informed to argue this is all due to Globalization or by the foreign workers. Well CNN gave him enough freedom to support his theories and spread enough hearted and worst of all his viewers are misinformed. Sometimes patriotism blinds the reality and we tend to forget the real roots of our today’s problems and started blame something else.

America excels in capitalism and one of the pioneers of globalization. Globalization/WTO helps the American businesses to enter the growing markets. Ask yourself a question, how many multi-national companies that can complete American businesses even today’s world in any major sector? No doubt a fresh completion is created by the globalization, but do u know how much percentage of patents are owned by fist world and second world compare to developing or under-developed countries?

More and More American companies are expanding their businesses in developing world. For some companies more than 50% revenues are coming from rest of the world and that number is still growing. This is healthy for American capitalistic society and to the American people. This also helps our businesses send more money in R&D compare to any country in the world, and that guarantees the edge in completion.

We all know Government is by the people and for the people and certainly Governments will try to protect their country’s interests for the benefit of their people. This happened in the past and will happen in future. And that’s why we have trade agreements and Lou never supports them. Remember Lou, there is “Give and Take”

I am very glad that globalization is helping the world by bettering the lives of poor people and that is healthy. IMHO, this is much better than charity work, since now they know how to catch the fish. There is always a fresh idea, which will become innovation and can make some money, where was Google 10 years ago?

CNN, the most trusted name in news…. Please stop this nuisance. We are better off w/o this misinformation.

Posted by: mrv at April 4, 2007 12:20 PM

Lou Dobbs makes a $10 million dollar salary , lives on a 200 acre house, makes countless millions in selling books, lives a lifestyle that would be the envy of all but the super-rich elite, and he claims to be the voice of the middle class? Who is he kidding.

If he feels so strongly about this, why doesn’t he start "Half-assed Socialist Paradise Venture Fund" that invests only in companies that (a) hires only US citizens (b) never outsources a single job. (c) pays 50% higher than what "slave wage" co.s like IBM and Microsoft pay....

Let him literally put his 'considerable money where his considerable mouth is', and show us all how HE would run a business, instead of ranting on and on everyday about "greedy corporate CEOs".

Posted by: Mikos at April 4, 2007 12:40 PM

I completely agree with Steve. Unfortunately, it looks like only those who disagree with him have commented on his article.

Illegal immigration has been brought to the forefront due to 9/11. This has been going on for a while and nobody supports illegal immigration. However, making it the focus of a complete prime time discussion day after day is a waste of everyone's time. Moreover, Lou portrays a kind of hatred to everyone who is brown. Let us be aware that a large part of this country is brown and black.

There should be far more focus on improving the education system so the U.S is not left behind.

Posted by: Priya at April 4, 2007 01:19 PM

Well, Lu Dobbs supporters need to ask him if he put his money where is mouth is. Does he only buy 'Made in America' goods, if he doesnt, he is not supporting the american middle class, merely yapping for ratings.

Posted by: a at April 4, 2007 01:57 PM

Lou Doub jis a lier. One example which can be verified from a federal agency is tax issue. He says professionals on work visas don't pay taxes or as much as others. What a lie. People with such level of personal integrity shouldn't be allowed on a TV show.

He reminds me of Strom Thurman who fought tooth and nail against the Black right and nefariously fathered a child from a Black woman.

Check his stock portfolio all the Companies he spews venom against will be on it.

Posted by: gc at April 4, 2007 02:10 PM

Lou is a scaremonger. We Americans are quite competent to survive any competition from any part of the World. We don't need Lou'sy Walls of Protection. How would a Xenophobic guy like Lou protect us from Strangers?? I absolutely agree with Steve.

Posted by: JP at April 4, 2007 02:11 PM

Totally agree with the comment on the megalomaniac -- Lou Dobbs. I feel CNN is losing its credibility as a news channel by not providing balanced views. The show just seems to be about one man's opinion on what is right and what is not. Sadly, CNN seems to be making money by catering to a select crowd and I doubt if things would change.

Posted by: SamSchneider at April 4, 2007 02:13 PM

Lou is a scaremonger. We Americans are quite competent to survive any competition from any part of the World. We don't need Lou'sy Walls of Protection. How would a Xenophobic guy like Lou protect us from Strangers?? I absolutely agree with Steve.

Posted by: JP at April 4, 2007 02:14 PM

Lou Doub jis a lier. One example which can be verified from a federal agency is tax issue. He says professionals on work visas don't pay taxes or as much as others. What a lie. People with such level of personal integrity shouldn't be allowed on a TV show.

He reminds me of Strom Thurman who fought tooth and nail against the Black right and nefariously fathered a child from a Black woman.

Check his stock portfolio all the Companies he spews venom against will be on it.

Posted by: gc at April 4, 2007 02:16 PM

Lou Dobbs: Now thats an interesting person. I wonder why he is so popular ? Lets analyze this:

1. He has very strong views about topics.

Thats no crime, actually its admirable. I think this is one of the reasons why Lou has such a large following.

2. Lous analysis/figures and approach. Now thats another story!!! Lou is NOT an economist, but talks like one; Lous research is sketchy at best and most of the figures he rambles off do not add up, but he talks like he knows whats going on; Lou takes a very extreme view of thing, and does not entertain or accept any other arguments.

I think that it is these very attributes that give him the large following:

At heart Lou is not here to solve any problems or suggest true workable solutions or even analyze issues. He is an ENTERTAINER. The longer he can hold our attention the better his ratings and more money he makes. So thats what he is doing!!!

Shame on all of us for not understanding this. For all those of you aggravated by Lou, dont hate him, just dont pay too much attention to what he says. ITS ENTERTAINMENT!!!!

Posted by: Paul at April 4, 2007 02:18 PM

The American middle class is well off ? The middle class's standard of living has been falling because more wealth has been accumulated by the top 5% of the country due to higher profit margins from globalization and offshoring. If you don't realize it by now, the folks in Washington are selling out our country right from underneath us with corporate dollars. As far as I can tell Lou Dobbs is the only one standing up on this issue. Jim Jubak from MSN Moneycentral finally did last week. See the link below.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/JubaksJournal/LettingTheWorldPickOurPocket.aspx?page=all

Posted by: SS at April 4, 2007 02:42 PM

Lou Dobbs has written a book entitled War on the Middle Class. In this book, he says H1B don't pay taxes; do google search Lou Dobbs H1B Taxes.

However, H-1B workers are legally required to pay the same taxes as any other US resident, including Social Security and Medicare. In some cases, H-1B workers pay higher taxes than a US citizen because they are not entitled to certain deductions (eg. head of household deduction amongst many others). Some H-1B workers are not eligible to receive any Social Security or Medicare benefits unless they are able to adjust status to that of permanent resident. However, if their country of citizenship has a tax agreement with the United States, they are able to collect the Social Security they've earned even if they don't gain permanent residency there.

Lou Dobbs is not a news reporter. If you have an open mind, you have to find all aspects of the issue and then find all facts about each aspect.

Posted by: M at April 4, 2007 02:55 PM

Lou Dobbs has written a book entitled War on the Middle Class. In this book, he says H1B don't pay taxes; do google search Lou Dobbs H1B Taxes.

However, H-1B workers are legally required to pay the same taxes as any other US resident, including Social Security and Medicare. In some cases, H-1B workers pay higher taxes than a US citizen because they are not entitled to certain deductions (eg. head of household deduction amongst many others). Some H-1B workers are not eligible to receive any Social Security or Medicare benefits unless they are able to adjust status to that of permanent resident. However, if their country of citizenship has a tax agreement with the United States, they are able to collect the Social Security they've earned even if they don't gain permanent residency there.

Lou Dobbs is not a news reporter. If you have an open mind, you have to find all aspects of the issue and then find all facts about each aspect.

Posted by: M at April 4, 2007 03:01 PM

Steve,

You are absolutely right. Dobbs is dubious. As some one else has pointed out, he lives on a 200 acre lot in North Bergen country and all he does is cry about middle class as if he is the messiah of the middle class. No doubt he has all his money stashed in companies that make profits. When it comes to portfolio's ethics do not matter. When it comes to make money, he has to do that in the name of middle class Screw ethics here. John Miano, Bill Tucker and Kim Berry have made enough jokes about highly skilled immigration before the american public and painted the whole immigrants as fraudsters,tax evaders. bunch of losers. never ever get the other side (like compete america) on to the show for a debate.

The most worst thing is that he dramatizes the whole telecast to an extent that most gullible and uneducated people will fall for it in a snap. Those gestures and facial expressions are loathsome to any one who knows that he is lying or picking one bad apple and painting it across the board as a means to serve his protectionist attitude.

Posted by: S M at April 4, 2007 03:29 PM

I feel sorry for Lou, his position on illegal immigrantion and free trade are biased. He sees from only one dimention and is a big lier.

I think CNN is losing its credibility by having a xenophobic presenter like Lou Dobbs.

He is making fool of middle class americans.

Posted by: Lou at April 4, 2007 03:34 PM

Lou Dobbs is not new he is trying out age old politics played by our previous mad persons, those singled one or two community and targetted them for all the misery of current society

Lou is targeting Mexians and Indians for every problem America is facing today and spreading haterd in this wonderful country, most valuble asset of this country is open minded common people which welcomed all kinds of people and flursied among them

Lou is devaluing American principals and its most cherisehd value Freedom and liberty

it is unfortunate that he is going to win as America is vlunerable at this stage after 9/11, Iraq war and economic issue, I just pray atleast once he does that right thing

Posted by: kumar at April 4, 2007 03:37 PM

Now, how is it "protectionist" to expect RECIPROCAL free trade agreements with countries such as China or India? These countries still limit access to their markets and still have anti-competitive practices such as artificially valuing their currency.

As for H1-Bs, someone claimed that H1-Bs pay taxes. Some do, some don't. Depends on how they're paid and where they're paid. But IF these guys are so terrific, how is it that immigration websites contain so many laments from them about how they can't move up because they're applying for a green card and their boss won't promote or pay them more. About how necessary it is for their wives to work.

Finally, regarding illegal immigration, most LEGAL immigration is already from Latin America and Asia, and is at record numbers--about 1 million a year. Now, just why is it acceptable for Latinos or anyone else (quite a few Irish and Polish illegals out there, too) to break OUR laws because it suits them? U.S. immigration policy is for the benefit of AMERICANS, or should be, not anyone who has the mistaken belief that he/she has a right to come here. Try immigrating to Mexico or India and see what hoops you have to jump through--and heaven forbid you try it illegally!

Posted by: Ali at April 4, 2007 03:47 PM

Folks this is capitalistic world. Every one including Lou Dubbs have an agenda. Lou's agenda is to increase his ratings and make better living for himself. When has he ever offered a better solution other than ranting? If he is so concerened, what is he doing about it other than spreading hatred and fear?

Standard of living in the US is better because it has vast amount of resources, hard working middle class and huge technological lead over other countries. In order to be competetive with rest of the world US needs to attract and keep talent. Why is it OK for US companies to market their products in other countries and make profit but not OK to produce/offshore to other cheaper countries?

What is needed is a meaningful reform that penalizes(for abusing the system) yet look at the issue in humanatirain perspective or reward(for being here legally and contributing to the economy). Just my opinion.

Posted by: Rakesh at April 4, 2007 04:06 PM

Lou Dobbs has hard core followers. They are not changing their opinion on Lou Dobbs. Similarly, some persons have found out that Lou Dobbs lies. These persons are not going to believe anything Lou Dobbs says.

However, if you have an open mind and want to judge Lou Dobbs, take any Lou Dobbs report, find all aspects of the issue, find all facts about each aspect and compare it to the Lou Dobbs report.

Just because Lou Dobbs is on CNN means absolutely nothing!

Posted by: M at April 4, 2007 04:30 PM

Lou Dobbs used to be one of my favorite CNN anchors and I just loved his style of broadcasting, serious, objective, analytical, sharp questioning, fact-based reasoning, etc., etc.. However I have been really disappointed since he has become such an emotional extremist that he virtually complains EVERYTHING on EVERYBODY else for whatever he is not happy with and for whatever his reasons are. He is no longer reporting as an objective journalist but an extreme voice of political propaganda, which I only see it from such as Bill O'Reilly.

We live in a world today full of new challenges and new issues we have never faced before such as globalization, free trade, conflicts of civilization, China/India rising, etc.. It just won't resolve the nation's problems by spreading fear and complaining everything on everybody else with extreme propositions.

Posted by: Downs at April 4, 2007 04:43 PM

I'm sure Lou Dobbs inherited this 200-acre estate from his forefathers who were born and raised right here in the US of A, as opposed to everyone else whose forefathers emigrated from somewhere else? Lou's forefathers were American Indians who built this whole place with their own hands.

How can that person bear to be a descendant of an immigrant? I'm sure he's mowing his own lawn on weekends - how can he hire help from those with brown skin?

Posted by: HP at April 4, 2007 04:48 PM

In every field you have to compete to win. We Americans would be better served to spend billions that we are not wasting in Iraq on education to let our kids compete with the rest of the world. Cheap foreign labor as Mr. Dobbs loves to say on TV for his viewers is not to blame. Don't you and I love to buy a quality product for a cheap price whether it is Made in USA or anywhere else. Why not quality labor at a lower labor rate if it is from elsewhere. We would not have our kids drop out of schools and work at McDonalds and the like, If they were to receive help financially to get their degrees. Spend money on education - period. Our kids would continue to do wonders.

Posted by: SNC at April 4, 2007 05:24 PM

Though I agree with the thrust of the article I find one comment a little disturbing:

"Besides, it seems to me the American middleclass is pretty well off. It’s the workingclass and poor who have plenty to complain about."

The assumption that the working-class is not part of, or all of, the middle-class raises an eyebrow, but that the middle-class "is pretty well off" is a personal opinion more related to the author's current financial standing than to the bare facts facing the U.S. economy - which is buried in debt and likely suffering hyperinflation as well. Those who didn't buy into the booming housing market, through a mortgage, sold off their home equity to finance their profligate consumption, now the market is collapsing slowly and even those in the upper middle-class are getting squeezed. All-in-all a sad indictment of the folly of a consumption and debt-driven capitalist system. It'll all come out in the wash when only the super-elite will be able to afford survival in the coming supply crash - the cliff's edge is clearly in sight now.

Posted by: William Jorgensen at April 4, 2007 08:12 PM

Steve,

Great article.Lou Dobbs should do more research before presenting his ideas,like H1-B don't pay taxes, every year 400,000 H1-B visas get issued etc.etc.

Every H1-B employee needs to pay tax.

400,000 H1-B in an year includes previous H1-B.

USCIS issues only 65,000 H-1B new visas every year.A cap which reached only in one day this year.US signed up for nuclear deal with India as it was providing *BUSINESS* to US companies like GE.Most airlines in India have placed worth billions of $'s Jet orders from Boeing.Isn't this two way globalization?

Economy is moving towards high skilled,knowledge based.US had it easy-transition from agriculture to manufacturing straight away.Transitioning from Manufacturing to knowledge based shouldn't be difficult.India has to make a big leap from agriculture to Knowledge based directly.

With free public schools,great universities, what is stopping American kids to take up Science?

All major innovation in software is coming from Europe-Sweden,Denmark,Finland.This should be a wake call to US-not a India/China/Mexico bashing time.India is still at least 100 years away to be threat to US.US Middle and lower class needs to worry threat from other developed nation more than anything else.

Posted by: Vicky at April 4, 2007 09:58 PM

"anchoring "is probably one of the lucrative jobs in the television industry." This statement is true for those at the top of their profession. CNN stars like Lou Dobbs and Wolf Blitzer make millions each year"

.....how much is he spending to improve the education system or health care system in this country

Posted by: andy at April 4, 2007 10:46 PM

Lou Dobbs does not have the intellectual ability to fathom the benefits of globalization. It is sad that CNN continues to provide him a show.

Posted by: Ron Anderson at April 4, 2007 11:54 PM

Lou Dobbs may be an extreme protectionist, but globalization is also an untamed beast that may one day trample and flatten the whole world under its feet.

Economists and business people tend to think only in terms of wealth, trade, and politics. The unbridled capitalism/globalization encourage people to consume as much as possible and suppliers to produce as much as they can through the exploitation of technology, cheap labor, and worst of all, huge amount of natural resources.

Today we are destroying the natural environment at an unprecedented scale so that we can buy more unnecessary stuff at lower prices. But we are completely ignoring the high environmental prices we will certainly pay in the near future.

People stand in long lines over night outside Walmart to grab that Black Friday bargain $50 TV set when they already have three at home. Nobody even thinks twice about how many rain forests have to disappear in order to provide us with the cheap furnitures from China. Who actually understands what that TV and sofa really cost? Who will add the price of destroyed homes from hurricanes and skyrocketed food prices due to Global Warming on top of their great bargains?

People in the business and economic field need to take a different view in the face of looming disasters. It should no longer be just about cheap manufacturing from China or low cost programmers from India or the profit margins of businesses.

I don't care for Lou Dobbs' xenophobic and fear mongering views, but I do hope that we do take a moment to think about what we are doing, and maybe come to realize that economies cannot grow forever, and maybe a slow down is probably a good thing for the whole world. I know it's a radical idea for business folks like yourself. The combination of modern method of production + cheap foreign labor + exploitation(and destruction) of the environment is what the business world calls globalization. It is not a sustainable model of development.

Posted by: Jordan at April 5, 2007 01:54 AM

Steve

No relationship with Jobs?

Good. CNN is biased in all respect. All pro USA. Now talk of Bangalore, IBM had 30,000 employees and so did HP, all who went there to make the village the

“Califiorni's Silicon Valley” but alas, we forget one thing. Brain is not on the roads or in the houses. It is neither in the water tapes nor in the drainages. The booming up was so fast that the roads are and the complete infrastructure is in shambles. Even some Indian politicians say that this is a filthy place. They had a clean Bangalore one time. Now all messy and dark.

Posted by: Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD at April 5, 2007 06:14 AM

I think this is a great comment from Jordan. Over-consumption by the US and Europe is already destroying the planet. Now that China and India are becoming major consuming nations the global warming we have seen so far may some time in the not-too-distant future look like a pleasant day on the beach.

Posted by: Steve Hamm at April 5, 2007 08:47 AM

Steve, the key to Offshoring jobs is the "Tax Loophole" that basically allow a company to hire an employee to support Operations in the USA without having to pay for the Payroll Taxes. As long as this loophole stays open, you will find that companies will be forced to Outsourced Offshore as many jobs as they can!!

Many companies now are creating development centers Offshore in India to support their own Operations in the USA. By doing this, the company can replace the cost of the employee in the USA with the cost of the employee in India. Sound like a great deal for business, but it’s not such a great deal if you’re one of those Americans that has been replaced.

With the massive growth of “NEW” jobs in India to support operations back in the USA, all I can think of is…. who is going to pay for our Social Security, Medicare, Federal Tax and local income taxes? Those new jobs in India were promised to be the new jobs created here in the USA. Also, with the profits from the saving thanks to Offshoring jobs, the companies are investing in infrastructure and R&D Offshore, not here in the USA.

It seem the main incentive and attraction to Outsource jobs Offshore to places like India is the combination of low salaries and the avoidance of Payroll Taxes here in the USA.

Funny, if you Outsource a job out of New York City to North Carolina, the employee in NC has to pay Federal, State, Social Security and Medicare tax……But…if the assignment is Outsourced to India to support Operations in New York City, the companies avoids all Payroll Taxes in the USA.

This practice of replacing workers in the USA with workers Offshore in order to save money by avoiding the payment of taxes in the USA is going to be an issue for the 2008 elections.

We cannot expect to Offshore as many Jobs as we can without it having a profound effect on our economy and the Middle Class. Remember folks it’s those salaries that employees earn in the USA that pump our economy.

The only fair and quick solution to help recoup the lost tax revenues is to impose a "Sales Tax" on any Service that is supporting Operations in the USA from an Offshore location….It’s only fair!

Posted by: Edward at April 5, 2007 09:28 AM

Check this out

http://www.businessandmedia.org/specialreports/2005/lou_dobbs/dobbs.asp

Posted by: R at April 5, 2007 12:47 PM

Do google search: Lou Dobbs H1B taxes.

Posted by: M at April 5, 2007 02:04 PM

From U.S. Companies Race to Fill Quota of Coveted Technology Worker Visas, By Krissah Williams, Washington Post Staff Writer, Tuesday, April 3, 2007

"What may be good for our country as a whole may not be good for individuals," said Joseph E. Stiglitz, a economist and author. "We haven't thought well about how we compensate the losers."

Posted by: M at April 5, 2007 02:05 PM

Hello,

I am immigrant in IT sector and am really surprised the way Amercian people are reacting to Lou Dobbs. He is presenting a picture for middle class wherein the current state is brought about by factors like (Capilatism to the extreme, Basic costs for Health care,Education out of control,Bad foreign policy after 9/11 in Iraq.

This guy blames the immigrants to be the root wherein there is little truth in his talk. He always give wrong analysis. The immigrants expecially the highly trained are needed to keep the current american economy to expand and be competetive. Global firms dont care where they are based. Look at Halliburton,It shifted from Texas to Gulf region. Only Highly skilled immigrnats can carry the Middle class and help them keep their current economic status. This guy need to rethink what he is preaching otheriwse ot would wreak the American middle class.

Posted by: Himanshu at April 5, 2007 02:57 PM

Lou Dobbs is a liar who twists facts to scare people . Gullible americans fall for it.

He in intellectually challanged to understand the usefulness of high skilled immigrants to a nation.

I think he is being bribed/funded by Hategroups.

Posted by: AarBee at April 5, 2007 08:44 PM

I can not think of any news item that Lou Dobbs has reported correctly. Shame on CNN!

Posted by: M at April 5, 2007 08:45 PM

From Lou Dobbs Tonight’ Hides Good News Behind Negative View of Free Market, By Charles Simpson, Research Analyst, Business & Media Institute (available at above URL)

CNN promotes “Lou Dobbs Tonight” as “news, debate and opinion.” But it doesn’t explain that Dobbs defines those words his own unique way. “News” is often economic distortions presented as fact. “Debate” doesn’t always mean that both sides get to comment. And, for Dobbs, opinion is something injected into every aspect of a news report.

Dobbs, dubbed “the Dan Rather of financial journalism” by Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute’s Center for Trade Policy Studies, has roused numerous critics with his skewed view of the news. But what’s more, opponents argue that one of the foremost names in TV business news is often simply wrong. As a result, his viewers are missing the real story behind free trade.

The Media Research Center’s Business & Media Institute studied 69 news reports from 86 broadcasts of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” between March 1 and June 30, 2005. The stories chosen for the study focused on free trade and outsourcing. The findings were staggering. Dobbs disregarded economic fundamentals on a daily basis.

Posted by: Mike at April 5, 2007 08:51 PM

Steve's point is very well-taken that fear and hatred have no place in business analysis. Take out the emotion and there are only two economic facts left about illegal immigration: (1) People will always emigrate in any way possible from poorer to richer countries, and (2) if you could magically zap every UDA and send them back to their countries, this country's economy would grind to a halt. There is not a single American whose way of life is not supported in some way by an illegal immigrant. That's not a "pro" or "con" argument, just a lonely fact. Deal with it; they aren't going away and there are many industrial interests in this country who will make sure they don't.

Posted by: trish at April 6, 2007 10:12 AM

From Lou Dobbs Tonight’ Hides Good News Behind Negative View of Free Market, By Charles Simpson

Research Analyst, Business & Media Institute

Another instance of outsourcing dread came from the March 29, broadcast. Dobbs led off a Bill Tucker report: “Delta Airlines today became the latest carrier to outsource its maintenance work to another country. That's right, foreign citizens will soon be performing maintenance on aircraft flown in the United States by a U.S. air carrier. Delta Airlines says the move will costs as many as 2,000 Americans their jobs.”

Tucker described how Delta Airlines was “going north of the border in search of cheaper labor” by outsourcing maintenance work to a Canadian company. Tucker then obtained union spin from Linda Goodrich, vice president of the FAA Inspectors Union. She told Tucker, “The best way to describe it – and I don't want to be sensational, but we believe right now they are playing Russian roulette with the public's safety dealing with aviation safety.”

While Tucker did admit that “outsourcing its maintenance work is expected to save Delta $240 million,” he left out an important piece of Delta’s history with outsourcing. According to the October 2004 edition of Business Solutions magazine: “Delta came under scrutiny for outsourcing a 1,000-seat call center to India. However, the move saved the airline more than $23 million in 2003 and allowed for the creation of 1,200 new jobs in Delta's U.S.-based reservations and sales team – a net gain of 200 American jobs.”

Posted by: Z at April 6, 2007 08:42 PM

It's nice to see CEOs come to BW's website and post as bloggers to hammer Dobbs. Sorry, but the majority of Americans realize that something is up w/ "free" trade. The game's over.....

Posted by: Drew at April 8, 2007 05:41 PM

What the heck. If you're really a concerned American just do the following:

1. Stop your crazed consumption habits. Keep what you have until it absolutely cannot be used anymore. I'm referring to cars, clothes, appliances, electronics, etc. Every time you buy one of those things 90% of your money leaves the country, anyway.

2. Buy local. Shop at the local produce store. With the money saved from lowered consumption spend the extra dollars for (more expensive)locally-produced clothes, food, etc.

3. Live simply. Don't kill yourself trying to keep up with the neighbors. The more you earn the less percentage of it you get to keep for yourself. It's a waste of your time and just enriches the oligarchs of globalization.

4. Research the records of the politicians who are asking for your vote, and choose accordingly. At this point in time the dire economic straits of this country is more important than "culture war" politics.

And finally, good luck to you in the coming depression. May you be able to keep your children housed and fed. Maybe after a really nasty one this country will finally wake up.

Posted by: Jack Johnson at April 8, 2007 11:10 PM

Because of Lou Dobbs, I stopped watching CNN anymore. Instead I watch MSNBC because it is more balanced and does not have an anchor who is an extremist. I also got a dozen of my friends to switch to MSNBC as well.

Posted by: Viewer at April 9, 2007 02:58 AM

My open letter to Mr. Lou Dobbs:

Mr. Lou Dobbs:

I agree with you the corporations has, as you said and I quote "Declare a war against the middle class" but I never seem to hear any discussion about the corporate dominance of American media on your show.

"The idea", that we the middle class can trust your reporting which you claims are "just facts" when you yourself work for one of the biggest media corporations -- Time Warner Cable, is an obvious conflict of interest.

Also, in the interest of full disclosure to support your assertion that you are a “true friend” of middle class would you like to disclose on your show or on your website the details of your contract with CNN? The middle class would like to know what share their "best friend" takes from the big pie, the big corporations makes at the expense of middle class.

If you do fulfill these basic requests, I once and for all, believe that you are our true friend.

-- FYI. I emailed him this text like an year ago...still waiting for a reply.

Posted by: alex at April 9, 2007 03:58 PM

Lou Dobbs for President, then?

Posted by: AnArch at April 10, 2007 08:47 AM

Folks,

Facts: (Courtesy: US Dept of Education):

1940 - 42% of US high school grads went on to study science/math in college. 1960 - 38%; 1980 - 35%; 1990 - 26%; 2000 - 15%; 2005 - 11%. But, during this period, the number of students enrolled in science/math programs have remained constant or have increased. And, American competitiveness/technolgical superiority has undoubtedly increased. How's that possible? Obviously, students from abroad - including India and China (the very same countries that have been the subject of hate mongering by guys like Dobbs) - have come in, filled the gap and worked towards keeping America on the top.

Some more food for thought - Some tens of hundreds of cotton/sugarcane farmers in India have committed suicide in the last decade (after India threw open her doors to the globalization forces). This is because, agriculture in the west is so many times more efficient than the largely human/animal powered intensive agriculture practiced in India. That has led to produce from the west being cheaper than that from local farms. And, these small land owners commit suicide, unable to bear the mounting loans. Globalization is a two-edged sword - it is not all rosy for India. Even there (as in the west), some sectors benefit and others do not. It is the dynamics of competitive advantage at play.

Posted by: KS at April 11, 2007 12:31 AM

Prior to this post, I was not a big fan of Lou, but I did not have any particular loathing for him either. But after reading some of the insightful comments on both sides of this debate, I increasingly feel that the "bloviating" Lou Dobbs is much more similar to George Bush (against who Lou rants every day) than I thought.

In Lou's mind, "you are either with me or against me". I am the good guy and those who disagree, are the bad guys. I am right you are wrong. I know everything and you know nothing.

Be wary of anyone who is so certain of his ideas and views and who doesn't cede the other side even an inch. There is something very wrong with Lou...Dear readers, Remember the lessons learned from Dubya?

Posted by: Rodd Halstead at April 11, 2007 10:31 AM

I wrote the following letter to Lou Dobbs.

Dear Mr. Dobbs:

As an American citizen, I applaud your effort to stand up for Middle Class America. As someone who works hard to support myself and my family, I thank you for advocating my interest. Unfortunately, I find your take on the issue of China to be unfair and unbalanced.

While there are many things about China and the Chinese government that I find "broken" and need to be addressed urgently, you seem to depict China as a monolithic entity that is out to destroy America. This is untrue. While there are hardliners and bad elements in China, most Chinese people are decent and hardworking people just like most American people. While many Middle-Class Americans are suffering because of job losses


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