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WoW Hits The Big 1-0

Posted by: Matt Vella on January 22

Blizzard Entertainment announced today that its juggernaut MMO, World of Warcraft, has reached 10 million subscribers. The announcement is a note to would-be competitors – listen up Age of Conan, Pirates of the Burning Sea, and Warhammer Online* – the 800 lbs. gorilla keeps getting bigger.

wow.gifNot only does that subscriber number far surpass the proportions fathomed by MMO-makers pre-WoW, but Blizzard also clarified what the company means by “subscriber.” Specificity further underlines the credibility of the 10 million figure. (The number doesn’t include unused pre-paid cards, for instance.) Blizzard also noted that the game’s first expansion, The Burning Crusade, was the best-selling PC game of 2007, holding the record for fastest-selling PC game of all time. Nearly 2.4 million copies flew off store shelves in its first 24 hours it was available.

Writing this, it strikes me how much WoW seemed like a side project when it was originally announced. Compared to the massive popularity of Warcraft, Diablo, and Starcraft, it seemed, well, marginal. Of course, now the blockbuster title far overshadows any of those franchises. For the time being, in any case.

[*Note: For more on potential WoW killers, check out this great Wired piece.]

Reader Comments


January 23, 2008 06:09 AM

10 million, woooooo hooooooooo


January 23, 2008 06:13 AM

I have this PC game - World of Warcraft. I never play for 3 years! Cost 49.99 for my old game. I try to play offline, it not work! I want play offline please! I waste my money for it. I am now upset to heard from NEWS. That very terrible! :-( Online Internet can cause problems like glitches, crashes, etc. I refuse to play online. I prefer offline play game on hard drive.


January 23, 2008 07:05 AM

As a World Of Warcraft player this doesn't surprise me. Blizzard has gone out of its way to give us new things to do after you reach the level cap. They're constantly making sure that one class doesn't have a significant advantage over the others or putting in a new hub for quests in a zone that had fallen out of use to encourage us to go back to it. Not to mention the game itself is so masterfully done that you can either play for hours on end or 30 minutes and still feel like you've accomplished something. Hats off to Blizzard for quite possibly the greatest game ever created.


January 23, 2008 07:13 AM

Not to take away from WoW, but I'm an avid player of the game and am looking forward to some fresh new competition, or blood, in the arena of MMOs. I'm looking forward to Age of Conan: Hyberian Adventures only because it looks absolutely beautiful and it's mechanics sound good. Course I'll wait to hear peoples take on it, as well as several reviews once the game is released in March.


January 23, 2008 07:44 AM

WoW may have 10 million accounts today but as soon as something decent comes out, watch the numbers fall like a rock.

WoWs customer service is less than desirable and they seem to not care about paying "players".

AFKing has become a huge problem in the pvp realm and that is causing many pvpers to complain.

If a "decent" game came out tomorrow, youll see a decline.


January 23, 2008 08:22 AM

If you haven't played yet, TRY IT!

its ridiculously fun and entertaining.

Jim A

January 23, 2008 08:45 AM

When will Google realize the potential of the MMPG market and deploy a Gaming Server/Platform allowing all users true Broadband Low Latency access ?

Google being a neutral entity in the gaming industry would quickly draw players to its Cloud Computing world and allow all players anytime,anywhere any device access to their game playing.



January 23, 2008 08:48 AM

awseum web page


January 23, 2008 09:17 AM

Oh, hi.


January 23, 2008 09:23 AM

where do i gett the best gear for a 47 hunter?


January 23, 2008 09:50 AM

Darrenm, quests and dungeons (Maraudon or Sunken Temple).


January 23, 2008 10:05 AM



January 23, 2008 10:06 AM

Where is Mankrik's wife?


January 23, 2008 10:10 AM

If you're a big pvp player WoW isn't the game for it. Check out Dark Age of Camelot.


January 23, 2008 11:00 AM

WoW is an awful addiction - I wonder if Blizzard should be forced to pay for cessation programs like tobacco companies do. If you haven't started, don't, its a huge waste of way too much time.

I am not down on gaming, but gaming should be enjoyable and not have you doing silly things to earn the next level, over and over. If all the time spent on repetitive level gaining "work" was spent reading or doing something actually productive, people would be happier.

WoW is a waste of time.

Numeria of Alextrasza

January 23, 2008 11:01 AM

This is one of the funnest games I've ever played. I'm not a big video game fan (uncoordinated thumbs, you see) but WoW is easy to learn to play on your home computer. That you can also play with people from all over the world makes it especially neat! I've never had too many problems with latency, or customer service - I usually get a helpful reply within 24 to 48 hours.


January 23, 2008 11:08 AM

If you want to play a game that you can get to level 75 in 2 weeks. Then play WoW, its great game for the simple minded who likes to look at half naked Toon's.

If you want a more complex battle system albeit worse graphics then play Final Fantasy XI.


January 23, 2008 11:08 AM

Get your kids off this will suck their brains out and make them zombies. 3 months after pulling this game away from our 15 year old he's back to socializing with humanity again. This game is THE most addicting of any I've seen.


January 23, 2008 11:11 AM

Not so surprising at all.


January 23, 2008 11:16 AM

How you all get a life!


January 23, 2008 11:25 AM

WOW= What Outside World. Its ridiculously addicting but better then t.v both my wife and I play and we love it. Though i must admit i have called in sick to play


January 23, 2008 11:26 AM

On a more serious note, my wife and 2 kids left me because I played this WOW game too much. It's been 3 years now, I have 5 lvl 60 characters. Now, I am happily married to my lvl 60 rogue wife whom I met through WOW. We have 3 virtual kids (characters) together and we couldn't be happier. We play DOTA and other RPG games together. WOW saved my life and created so many oppourtunities for me. Thank you!!!!

Michael Hoffman

January 23, 2008 11:31 AM

WoW is the 81 largest country on earth! Larger than Sweden, Austria, Switzerland and soon to eclipse Cuba, Greece and Portugal


January 23, 2008 11:35 AM

I've been playing WOW since open beta. I've never had a customer service complaint that didn't get a response, nor have I had an issue with my character that wasn't handled in a seemingly timely manner.
Everyone I've ever known that said the Blizz customer support was bad, based their statement on some unrealistic expectation. IE, they wanted something to be done that was above and beyond what should be expected of the GMs. (ban a player for pissing them off, give them some item back that they sold too cheaply, etc) I'm not saying that some folks haven't had a bad experience here and there, but for the most part, comparing Blizz to Sony/Verant (where a customer request might take as long as 30 days to GET A RESPONSE)and other game mfg'rs, is like saying a Porsche sucks because it's more expensive than a Hyundai. Blizz has done a fantastic job of creating new content that the subscribers don't pay additional money to get, making interesting things to do for even the most hard core player, and creating a game mechanic that makes you want to play every character class available. Bravo, Blizz.
get rid of irst dot and a.


January 23, 2008 11:40 AM

If you don't want to play online, play something offline. MMORPG stands for Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. It is what it is, and really....if you're purchasing a game, common sense should lead you to due diligence in learning about the product in terms of cost, services, etc. WoW is NOT just a battle system, and if you play the game as it is intended, you will see multiple quests that build story lines, detailing events throughout time.

As with anything in life (real life), common sense needs to be applied. Obviously, if you feel that the game takes up too much time or is addictive, and YOU have an addictive personality don't play so often, or don't play at all.
It is a GAME. Your inability to walk away from a game says much about your personal character.

And this is a news forum, do you really need to post quest questions here???


January 23, 2008 11:45 AM

I've played this game since the day it came out in 2004. It's so incredibly fun, and for an introvert like me it's a great way to meet people and hang out. But yeah, I don't recommend getting too involved with it if you're in school or have young children.

And to all you nay-sayers claiming that the next great MMO will destroy WoW...Blizzard is currently developing a "next-generation" MMORPG, bwhahah!


January 23, 2008 11:49 AM

Thalamus you're the kind of ignorant person the world can live without. If you were a better parent your kid wouldn't have gotten addicted as you say. I hate to slam parents in that way but I know dozens of families that play this together and their kids live normal lives outside the game. You're probably the same type of person that thought it was a good idea to rename the cookie monster. Don't attack what you know nothing about. Ignorance is a disease..


January 23, 2008 11:53 AM

all of you people complaining about addiction, or your kids being addicted..

it's all self control (or in the parents case, parental control). if you cant enjoy a game in moderation then you shouldnt be playing games, period.


January 23, 2008 12:07 PM

I want to retract some of my last statement (if its approved). An addiction is dangerous no matter what the product is. If Thalamus you've let your son become addicted to a game then perhaps you should have been more involved in his life. That sounds cruel, but its the truth. Drug addicts do what they do because they feel they need it to live. Unfortunately the same thing can be said about online gaming. The experience is something those that don't play can never understand. Its essentially a whole other world, it has its own currency, each server has its own society and rules. For instance on some pvp servers you don't kill players of the opposing faction if for instance, they're questing or already engaged in something that requires them to concentrate. Its a courtesy thing, not to mention the it encourages you to interact with other players. This is not a game where you play by yourself 100% of the time, in order to proceed and get into the higher content of the game you'll have to join a Guild. Meaning groups of other players in the game that can work together to take down bigger bosses, quests, etc.

On an adult level is actually safer for some to talk to someone online rather then go to a bar where who knows what can happen. There are language filters for those who do let their kids play so they're not exposed to things you don't want them to read. And for those that have it turned off, never in my 2 years of playing have I ever seen a guild not enforce a language restraint if a child is online. I'm friends with people all over the country and the world because of this game and ones like it.

Face it you people of old, online gaming is the wave of the future. Blizzard. The point I want to address here is that anything taken/played/used, etc without an ability to stop is dangerous. You should be glad your son wasn't doing something a lot worse Thalamus, and for those that complain about the game..its simple don't play it and quit hating on those that enjoy it..all 10 million of us


January 23, 2008 12:12 PM

WoW succeeds because it is well designed, immersive, high quality and continually updated with fresh content that its customer base enjoys. In short, it's a well designed product. Blizzard and hence WoW succeeds because they have a dedicated staff that is completely customer-oriented (impossible-to-please whiners notwithstanding). The game is no more addicting than any other toy—I well remember people lining up three deep to play Pac-Man for hours in some arcade at 25 cents a crack (when a quarter was actually money). As usual it's easy and somehow tempting to bash the guys at the top instead of applauding them. Jealousy? Give it a rest. You want to bash a big company—choose Microsloth, they deserve it. Blizzard? Gratz to all of you. You deserve a standing O. Fireworks in Lower CIty tonight perhaps?

bob junior

January 23, 2008 12:20 PM

10 million geeky ass nerds who have no life and play for 24hrs without stopping.


January 23, 2008 12:22 PM

To ryan: So true, it really is a very serious and unfortunate problem with the world today. But ya i've played for a couple years now, and am no where near "addicted" love this game, but they do need better customer service. Everytime i send in a complaint usually regarding a fatal error/crash they tell me they are sorry and nothing can be done. Compared to sony(vanguard) where i died to a glitch once and the gm gave me a 2 hour double experience buff (as you lose experience on death) that is customer service


January 23, 2008 12:24 PM

I am a gamer and a parent of teenage children. We play WoW and other MMO's. We also play FPS's. Beyond our virtual lives we have very active social lives and do things together as a family. Games are only addictive if you have no life outside of them.
In reference to the article, kudos to Blizz for creating WoW and hopefully they can continue the roll. I know from my years in the gaming business that the 'next best thing' is always right around the corner.


January 23, 2008 12:27 PM

Or, you could play a game that is more fun, better graphically, with a 4 million or so player base that costs you nothing per month. That's right. No monthly fees, so you can walk away for a while and not feel like you're losing $20.00 per month. I speak, of course, of Guild Wars, which, despite its' off-putting name, is a tremendous game. It's beautiful, it's huge, it's safe for all character levels (no PK'ing unless you go to arenas) and it's achievable. By that, I mean all characters cap out at level 20, which can be done in a few days. Of course, there are a lot of skills, tweaks and perks which maintain one's interest far past level 20. As a 20-year veteran of all RPG and CRPG games, including WoW, I can safely say that Guild Wars, with its three expansions, is the best CRPG introduced to date.


January 23, 2008 12:28 PM

I started playing WoW later than most; I'm probably subscriber #9,999,999. As a player of paper and pencil RPGs most of my childhood, WoW makes it possible for me to play out in stunning graphical wonder the things I could only imagine happening during the old D&D days. I wouldn't of course want to have missed paper and pencil RPGs since I think it builds a certain better appreciation for experiencing it in a computer game.


January 23, 2008 12:28 PM

I played wow for a while. It really came down to not having any other games to play on my low end machine. I was very much aware of the relentless grinds. The shallow, monotonous and pointless quest lines were a constant source of resentment. I spent a while playing different classes. I REALLY wanted to like the game. I topped out 3 toons in search of a niche in the game that I enjoyed. I never found it.

Once I upgraded my computer, I quit playing WoW and started playing games with story lines and content that wasn't about grinding and droprates. I'm happy to be done with WoW, I won't be coming back.


January 23, 2008 12:29 PM

I play WOW, my wife and I have a guild, which is a group of people that play together from all over the world. This game can be addictive for sure, but so can T.V., exercise, or poker. I think people should do whatever gives them enjoyment. This game can be as simple or as intense as you choose to make it, its completely up to you,I raid with my guildmates, but I also go find a nice quiet spot and fish for an hour or two, whatever feels good at the moment. I also walk away from it and do other things when I want to. People are people and you cant blame games for what they tend to do, if it wasnt WOW, it would be something else.

Scosak the Prozac

January 23, 2008 12:39 PM

LOL you got to be friggin kidding me! The sole reason WoW is popular is that it is OVERSIMPLIFIED and easy to digest. It lake if complexity in playable vale. THUS**
1) its for kids not adults (10 million kids w/o parental supervision)
2) watch that number drop HARD when then next get hits the servers.... Age of conan and Anarchy online, while dorfed my Blizzerd will stop Wow... when the next gen graphic engines are aplied this year.
3)Final Fanntisy is the original RPG this stupid game can never take that away.
4) KIDS ARE RESTLESS and hard to please, this number will also suffer as soo as somthing new come on TV (youtube)
5)Nough said GET A LIFE!

patrick young

January 23, 2008 12:41 PM

To all WOW Players. You are fat and worthless. Get off the computer and go outside. It is just a game, fresh air will do you some good.


January 23, 2008 12:43 PM

It builds on what was before it and does so very well, but have you played any fantasy MMO before WOW and tired of it then WOW is no different.

It's the same grind as 90% of other games, it's the same no-event when killing the big mobs, it's the same no-event when engaging in PVP (actually pvp in wow can hardly be considered any kind of event).

Players can't really change anything and can merely take a ride in one of the many "theme park rides" that WOW, and so many other games like it are full off.

If you are new to the MMO-genre then WOW is a great way to start. The learning curve is not bad, it doesn't punish you too much for making mistakes and so on. If you however tired of looking for Sword of +10 Leetness long ago then WOW is to be avoided.


January 23, 2008 12:47 PM

PUT IT ON PS3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS3 would boost your player base and would be even more fun. PS3 has keyboard you can add and allows game updates since it has a harddrive.


January 23, 2008 12:48 PM

I played for a few months, the conversation level was too much like IM chat for me, that and too much time spent traveling to get places, I went back to everquest


January 23, 2008 12:49 PM

LOL 4 all u wow players out there i dont waste 20 bucks a month w.e i play its wow but on a different realm just go 2 - news - and register its soooo@!!!! fun plus absolutely freee!!!!!!!!! really try it and encourage others as well :)


January 23, 2008 12:50 PM

PVP IN BG's does not consist of playing AV,WSG or AB. It's all about the season...thats PVP not the crappy BG IMO


January 23, 2008 12:51 PM

10 million subscriptions. That's 150 million dollars a month Blizzard pulls in. I'm betting that maintaining servers and paying for bandwidth doesn't cost that much. Man I need to create a MMORPG. It's like legally selling crack.


January 23, 2008 12:55 PM

I think all you gamer geeks need to get a life


January 23, 2008 12:56 PM

Or, you could play a game that is more fun, better graphically, with a 4 million or so player base that costs you nothing per month. That's right. No monthly fees, so you can walk away for a while and not feel like you're losing $20.00 per month. I speak, of course, of Guild Wars, which, despite its' off-putting name, is a tremendous game. It's beautiful, it's huge, it's safe for all character levels (no PK'ing unless you go to arenas) and it's achievable. By that, I mean all characters cap out at level 20, which can be done in a few days. Of course, there are a lot of skills, tweaks and perks which maintain one's interest far past level 20. As a 20-year veteran of all RPG and CRPG games, including WoW, I can safely say that Guild Wars, with its three expansions, is the best CRPG introduced to date.

You sir, are an idiot. In not going to tear your post apart but there is this one little sentence that makes you look more retarded then a dead corpse. "I can safely say that Guild Wars, with its three expansions, is the best CRPG introduced to date" well, no its not or it would have 10m paid subscribers. the fact that its free to play online and compared to WoW, NO ONE playes it. AAND ITS FREE!!!!

nuff said


January 23, 2008 12:57 PM

Eve-Online is a better game.


January 23, 2008 01:03 PM

Hey Patrick...

I work out at the local powerhouse gym 3-4 days a week. I play WoW when I want to.. Unlike yourself I have a life beyond trying to irritate people to make myself feel better.

And just because I feel like stepping down to your iq level for a moment... Your mom goes to college.


January 23, 2008 01:09 PM

RYAN: who exactly do u think u are?

Thalamus came on and expressed an opinion and related his experience of WoW as a parent. You don't know anything about his (or his son's) situation, but u still take it upon urself to insult him and lecture him on how he raises HIS kids.

"" You're probably the same type of person that thought it was a good idea to rename the cookie monster. Don't attack what you know nothing about. Ignorance is a disease ""

You're right, don't attack what u know nothing about, No One Ever tried to change the cookie monsters name.. it was a BS internet rumour u fell for.

Then you try to draw a meaningless parallel between some families you know and his family, and then patronize him with this pearl:
"for those that complain about the game..its simple don't play it and quit hating"

But thats exactly what he did, he stopped his son playing something he felt wasn't healthy for him. He just made a comment on a webpage that was VERY similar to a lot of the other comments by people you didn't feel the need to attack.

Seriously dude, get down off your high game-geek horse and don't be so condescending to people, you just look like an idiot.


January 23, 2008 01:09 PM

To Bob Junior, you say that Wow players are "geeky ass nerds who have no life and play for 24hrs without stopping". Multiple independant sources report that the average player spends just over 17 hours a week playing.

I manage to work 50 hour weeks, take two classes at Berkeley, train 12-16 hours a week for my average 1 Ironman and 3 Marathons a year and Raid in WoW 3-4 nights a week. Granted, my partner and I do not have children, so I have a little more disposable time than others.

Tell us, what do you do that is so great that allows you to make sweeping generalizations about the type of people who enjoy WoW. Are you that miserable in your own life, that you have to dog on a game that gives so many people a safe and engagaing oppertunity to get away from the stresses of everyday life. When was the last time you got of your ass to do anything?

Gnomes FTW...


January 23, 2008 01:10 PM

Here here, Patrick Young and Bob Junior.

Turn off the game, go outside, socialize, and get in shape. What a colossal waste of time and money, and the reason the US is a nation of fat losers. Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed, like I am.


January 23, 2008 01:11 PM

I have played WoW for a little over a year now. I have a successful career, own my own home, and have a life outside of it. As for me, I play it when I need time to just "get away" or when there is little else to do.

I know the pain of addiction as I lost 3 RL friends on it. No, I was never addicted, they were (and still are). Did I mention their ages are 26, 36, 44. It started with them giving excuses not to show up to RL events like poker, pool, and what not. Then it became "I slept too late". When asked, it was because they were all night raiding.

Even worse is some of guilds on WoW. They ACTUALLY require you obey their times and their schedules for raiding and if you do not, they boot you out. There is a constant obsession for gear, honor, and so much digital stuff, that they have lost all track of time. None of those guys will ever have jobs, friends, or whatnot, and they actually said goodbye to all of their RL friends for the in-game ones.

WoW is about self-control. If you have it, playing can be a good experience. If you do not, then all hope is lost, literally. I, personally, would love a good RL poker or pool game with friends over WoW anyday. Did I mention RL girls are way better than WoW ones? :)


January 23, 2008 01:14 PM

You know I think it's pretty sick. This game has the ability to take over the minds of the weak. I know too many people getting divorced over this game. My Fiancee needs to go to some kind of counseling! LOL. He started playing 2 nights a week then 3, and then it hit 4. We had a baby and I can barely get one day from him now. It disgusts me. He know runs in from work at 4 pm and doesnt get off until like 10 pm 11pm. He has get up at 4am! This game has rotted his brain and caused so many problems in our relationship. It should ne called WORLD OF WAR CRACK!!!!!!!!!


January 23, 2008 01:21 PM

OMGOSH that's over 150million per in just from the subscribers. Plus the cost of the game. WoW. Don't worry they are doing fine. They'll keep on thinking of ways to keep you playing. Even if they come up with a better game they will still keep you buying their games. I can't wait until Star Craft 2


January 23, 2008 01:23 PM

For some reason I find myself coming back here not to defend wow but to confront the ignorance I mentioned before.

Scosak, you've obviously led a very limited view on life so hopefully I can open your eyes a crack..Probably not but I'll try.

After reading your post, I came to this conclusion. You gave up on Wow because a) you played a class that sucks to start. b) You got upset that people wouldn't give you free money. Whichever it was its pathetic, if anyone has played games like Wow before you can see the difference. Yes, Wow has a lot of similarities with other games like it. But you can say that about any other type of game. For instance how is God of War any different from Tomb Raider? Sure it has a nice smattering of violence and gore mixed in but its essentially a platformer. Essentially the same thing though, progress through the level, fight a boss, rinse and repeat till the end.

As for JJ your comment about the leet sword +10 proves you have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps you should go back to hating on D & D players like when you were a teenager.

As for Bob Junior, meh I could go into your ignorance but more than likely this is the first time you found this page and I doubt you have the intelligence to find it again. I'm sure you're idea of a good time involves drinking or hunting..


January 23, 2008 01:31 PM

My nephews used to play outside, ride motorbikes, skateboard and play sports of all kinds. They'd want to go camping. They'd want to go out on day trips. They'd spend hours outside playing every day.

WoW changed all that. Now they are stuck in front of that damn game whenever I visit. All they talk about is that damn game. All they want for birthdays and Christmas are expansion packs and better computer equipment for that damn game. I hate that damn game.

This is not some far fetched anecdotal BS. They really went from happy outdoors liking active kids to sullen and often angry indoor WoW obsessed brats. There is a three year difference in there age so it is not that they just got older. They both just got hooked on that damn damn game.

WoW is death to a childhood.


January 23, 2008 01:39 PM

I played wow for a long time , relatively, maybe a year or more, I noticed I was takin ga lot of time away from a lot of activities, but sometimes I ran my life around it, like if it was a big raid, I was choosing that , or something else,and it was a difficult choice. I was a guild leader, so I had many obligations and assistance to complete.Eventually I stopped cold turkey.
It was easy, ... but it was hard.I understood how difficult it is to juggle life and wow.People understand if you take burnout breaks,I decided there was more to life, so I quit. :)I thought I might break down and join back, as I folled guild events, but I never have, and I feel stronger for it.It is very fun, but it can rule your life.If the whole family , as that one poster does, plays it, you dont have to worry about ruining your life,or at least in staying single:)


January 23, 2008 01:45 PM

I played wow for a long time , relatively, maybe a year or more, I noticed I was takin ga lot of time away from a lot of activities, but sometimes I ran my life around it, like if it was a big raid, I was choosing that , or something else,and it was a difficult choice. I was a guild leader, so I had many obligations and assistance to complete.Eventually I stopped cold turkey.
It was easy, ... but it was hard.I understood how difficult it is to juggle life and wow.People understand if you take burnout breaks,I decided there was more to life, so I quit. :)I thought I might break down and join back, as I folled guild events, but I never have, and I feel stronger for it.It is very fun, but it can rule your life.If the whole family , as that one poster does, plays it, you dont have to worry about ruining your life,or at least in staying single:)


January 23, 2008 01:52 PM

People complain about being addicted to a game that costs $15 a month? Sheesh thats better than being addicted to drugs that cost you not only your money but your life as well. And that's a LOT of money at that. I've made more friends thru WOW than I have enemies doing drugs....cuz there are no friends in that realm!

Game on Hordies =P


January 23, 2008 02:05 PM

Its the best out there right now but as soon as some other MMO comes out that is appealing more to the masses then just one type of player they will lose tons of subscribers IMO.

I've been playing since open beta and am dieing for something new. I'm constantly canceling my subscription every few months or so when the game gets redundant, at least till the next big patch or the expansion comes out.

And as more game developers start following WoWs trend keeping MMOs "simplified" and more "forgiving" Blizzards player base will drop drastically.


January 23, 2008 02:15 PM

Patrick Young,
I play WOW, and I would be willing to bet I have spent more time outside than you have in the past 2 years that I have been a WOW player. I am in the Army, it is kind of stereotypical for you to assume that all WOW players are fat and never go outside or do anything other than sit behind a computer all day ignoring the other things in life.

I have a wife and we are expecting in about 2 months. So if you want to assume that all people who play a computer game, watch TV, or anything else that involves indoor activities are fat and lazy and never go outside. Then you can take your idiotic thoughts and shove it up your a**. To call someone worthless for something they do to pass their free time is laughable.


January 23, 2008 02:30 PM

anyone have a portal to Shat?


January 23, 2008 02:49 PM

idk what u all said but as a RL player of WOW i have to say its the best game i've played well that i can think of atm. It's so freaken awesome!! yeah it's is a little addicting but i think thats more of a mental thing. I run track play football even basketball and i also have a GF (yes a RL GF) and this game has never interfeared. thats because i dont let it. Im also glad my guild runs our raids at 8 server time (Rexxar) becuase then im done with practice or homework.<<(Random)

And yes accomplishing something in WOW is so awesome and it has this awesome fealing that makes u feal good. like lastnite when we downed Gruul the Dragon slayer i was so excited. (my 1st time) i was like WOOH F*** YEAH!!! lmao.

I can say allot more fun stuff about this game but i know it does have some downs so im just gona leave it at that. lAterS!


January 23, 2008 02:54 PM

My wife and I started playing EverQuest when it first came out 5 (?) years ago and found ourselves fans of what soon became "EverCrack" for us. Somehow the game did seem to have an endpoint and the activities in the game (trade skills, questing, raiding) became increasingly difficult to the point of ridiculous or required insane group numbers of other players to become unplayable for us. Too much time waiting for others to log on or too much time leveling to get that next "carrot" held out in front of our characters. Somehow WoW has the blend of enough new activities easily attainable in 30 mins or 5 hours to keep anyones interest. Key is the ability to run a quest or instance with other online game players to be the best interactive game probably ever to date. Their commercials with Mr. T, and "Mini Me" sort of capture the fact that they can make fun of themselves and show that it's not some super nerdy D&D type game. We looked at Vanguard, Star Wars, etc. but WoW will likely remain a shortcut on our desktop for some time to come.

My only hope for those considering playing WoW is that your wife or at least your girlfriend, if not your wife, likes to play too!

Start her off on it with you - once she's hooked your golden :)


January 23, 2008 02:55 PM

People may call this game simple, it is. But thats not a bad thing really. It slowly lets you into the game giving you a few skills every two levels or so. It dosnt throw you in waist deep into a world that you know nothing about.
Though it dosnt stay 'simple' for long. The top end raid instances such as Black Temple and SSC in the Burning Crusade aren't simple, yet they aren't complex either.
They require attention and knowledge of your class. While some games may be called more complex or for people with who are "smarter" I beleive that its not really true. WoW's end game is just as complex as any other, it just might be designed so it isnt an impenitrable brick wall that you bash your head against for weeks on end with minimal gain.
And while WoW may not have the all out world PvP as other games it does have a very good structured PvP system that rivals the game dubbed the "PvP MMOs" such has DAoC and Eve Online.
I beleive WoW has something for everyone and that is why it has hit 10 million 'subscribers'.


January 23, 2008 03:09 PM

To Ryan

I played the pen and paper D&D + numrous other p&p RPG and CRPG. Problem is I've gotten tired of the grind most computer games have as you try to get that perfect set of equipment. It's just not enough to keep it interesting anymore. For 6 months I played Dark Ages of Camelot and for the first 5 it was enough, but now I'm sick and tired of games the use that approach and WOW fits into that perfectly.

However as I also stated, if you are not tired of it/haven't done it, then WOW IS a good game. It is well done and easy to start on.


January 23, 2008 03:12 PM

10,000,000 subcribers @ about $15.00/Month =


WOW U go Blizzard


January 23, 2008 03:30 PM

Well said Raumz well said!

Although SSC does make me want to smash my head against the wall sometimes =)

But as you non players can see, this is a game for everyone. As for Michael, sorry there buddy but thats not the game's fault. I grew up while video games were becoming popular, I loved them then and still do. However, my parents made sure that I went outside. I was active throughout my childhood with basketball, football, track, etc.

Video games should not be blamed for parents who can't control their kids. If you're concerned about their behavior then as their uncle, take the game away from them. Force them to go outside. I hate to put it that way but lets be honest with ourselves. Growing up in the 80s and 90s our parents wouldn't let us get away with half the crap kids get away with now.

If I had told my dad I wasn't going outside...I would be outside anyway. So lets stop blaming a wildly entertaining game for more serious issues that are plauging our country


January 23, 2008 03:33 PM

LFG - H-Mech


January 23, 2008 03:46 PM

To Raumz
"And while WoW may not have the all out world PvP as other games it does have a very good structured PvP system that rivals the game dubbed the "PvP MMOs" such has DAoC and Eve Online.
I beleive WoW has something for everyone and that is why it has hit 10 million 'subscribers'."

I agree to some extent. WOW PvP is as good/bad as DAOC, can't really disagree there, however I'd would strongly disagree when comparing to EVE.

Maybe not in the individual fights but on a grander scale. In WOW it doesn't matter if you die or not. In EVE it might cost you several months work or even that land you call home. People can't change anything in WOW. They can only do kill monsters in the dungeons Blizzard gives them. The orcs will never take the capital of the Alliance and the Horde will never be driven from their lands.
That is the real problem with WOW if you ask me. It's static with no way for players to influence anything.

And your last point. It does have something for most, which is an achievement.


January 23, 2008 04:43 PM



January 23, 2008 04:52 PM

I'm in this thread!

Chuck Norris

January 23, 2008 05:00 PM

I hate this game.
I hate the Barrens!


January 23, 2008 05:01 PM

If you go to the Bar on a Friday night you end up spending at least $15.00. Or, if two people go to a movie and get a popcorn it'll be at least $15.00.
So, If you just stay home and play WoW for one night a month instead of going out, it pays for itself.
So, if you stay home twice a month, instead of going out, playing WoW is actually a way to save money.
Just because your paying for it don't mean you have to play it everyday, or even every week. Or even every month. My wife and I subscribe, but we haven't played in a couple months, we just haven't had the time. But if we ever get bored, it's a cheap way to entertain ourselves.
With everything in life there will be casual people, hardcore people and obsessive people. Some people are hardcore and some are casual with everything, be it paintball, hockey, poker, tennis, golf, beer pong, guitar hero, whatever, playing wow is just another thing you can do for fun.


January 23, 2008 05:54 PM

I used to play WoW too much but now I balance it with work, wife, and kids. My son plays it too...we use "moderation in all things" as a rule. If you are addicted to a video game then you need counseling with a psycotherapist. The game is not at fault, your brain is at fault.


January 23, 2008 06:21 PM

now wheres Wrath of the lich king, Bilzzard!?


January 23, 2008 06:26 PM

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January 23, 2008 07:17 PM

Any of you who say that all WoWers are geeks, fat, lazy, etc.; as illustrated above by a few others you are sadly misinformed. Instead of humiliating yourself with uninformed bullS*** try researching what you're talking about. There are many people who manage their own lives effectively, balancing work, school, girlfriends/wives, working out, and various other activities.

In response to the addiction comment: Yes, WoW can be adicting, but like any addictions you can choose whether or not to start, and unlike other addictions like tobacco, it is a mental addiction not a physical addiction. So to all of you who hate it because you can't deal with the addiction, it is YOU who need to quit and get a life.

WoW is a popular game because it is enjoyable, immersive, and has mechanics and gameplay that are easy to pick up.
That's why it hit the 10 million mark.

Covus/US/Altar of Storms/Horde
Glory to the Horde


January 23, 2008 08:55 PM

My husband and I played for 2 yrs. It's an awesome game, but you get tired of the greedy 14 yr olds.

It's nice to have time to do other things and play other games. We'll probably do another mmo in the future, but it'll have to be impressive to make that sort of time commitment.

You people with "lives," how much of them do you spend trying to get stuff to impress your friends? It's the same world, but it doesn't fill up landfills or use up real materials.

Also, sadly most aren't nerds. I wish they did have some sort of intelligence requirement for the game.


January 24, 2008 07:23 AM

I would just like to say this to all the people who hate wow because it is too "simple". I am sorry if all you do is enjoy leveling once after working for HOURS AND HOURS! This is why other games fail. The game takes too much time to get to the juicy stuff. At level 70 in wow, you get to enjoy the arena, flying mount, raiding instances, and just generally pwning people's faces.
The arena is the best thing wow could have created. The arena takes true skill and knowledge of the game.
Raiding is awesome because you get to killed huge monsters and get more into the lore of warcraft.
Flying... you get to fly. Nough said
Pwning people's face.... also don't need to explain this.

Play wow through to level 70. Get in a good guild. Learn the game, then tell me you think wow is stupid.

One last thing, all you talk about are new games coming out that MIGHT beat wow. Well, guess what im betting that 99% of the people will either stay to see what the expansion is or come back when the next expansion comes back.

GGnubs go back to all your games that truly are stupid.


January 24, 2008 09:16 AM

This doesn't surprise me. Blizzard is nothing but a hype machine on par with Squarenix.

WoW is the most boring game I have ever played. It is also an intentional timesink, buggy, laggy, and a near ghost town in lower-level areas.

And instead of fixing the numerous problems with their game, what does Blizzard do? Release a new expansion pack serving only the most elite players, and raise the level cap to a new arbitrary number to scare off more new players.

I don't need a second job, Blizzard.

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January 25, 2008 04:01 AM

On Addiction:

The problem here lies with intent. The tobacco companies did not get in trouble for selling an addictive product, they got in trouble for selling a product with the intent to addict.

The problem is, then, that World of Warcraft is designed to addict. While I can't forsee or justify the United States taking any action against Blizzard (it would be a first amendment violation to do so) parents should not allow their children to play this game, and adults who play it should take a step back and take a look at what they're paying to do.


March 30, 2008 04:31 AM

TO "BS"-

You really talk to much :)


June 13, 2008 06:54 AM

WoW is a game with a big carrot on a stick concept. 10 million people don't understand that they are spending tons of hours for an carrot the whole time that doesn't even exist. All u do in this game is wasting ur time for fictional items.
Then only with good items ur good in this game. Just look how much at ur stat's when ur char wears nothing then look at it with full gear. Then u will see the difference is really huge u will have like 5 times so much stats with full gear. That proves that wow pvp is just gear>exploiting>skill. WoW pvp looks like gay jumping the whole time.


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