House Passes Carbon Cap-and-Trade Bill

Posted by: Dan Beucke on June 26

By John Carey

June 26, 2009, will go down as an historic moment in world’s efforts to tackle climate change. For the first time, a Congressional body passed legislation that would place mandatory limits on the emissions of the greenhouse gases that cause global warming. By the barest margin of 219 to 212, the House of Representatives voted for a bill spearheaded by Representatives Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) and Edward Markey (D-Mass.). If it becomes law, the measure would require a massive switch to cleaner sources of energy over the next four decades. “This is the landmark energy and environmental legislative achievement of a generation,” says Phyllis Cuttino, director of the Pew Environment Group’s U.S. Global Warming Campaign.

The legislation itself is enormous. It’s more than a thousand pages long, filled with obscure provisions that will keep an army of lobbyists employed for years. It’s been resoundingly panned both by groups on the left, such as Friends of the Earth and Greenpeace, who see it as an enormous corporate giveaway, and by Republicans, who accuse it of being a massive tax that will hobble the U.S. economy. It even was attacked by the powerful farm lobby, despite a cornucopia of goodies added in the last few days to get their champion, House Agriculture Chairman Collin C. Peterson (D-Minn.), on board.

What’s more, the bill lies at the center of a high-stakes political calculation by the GOP. While there’s a strong anti-regulation ideology in the Republican Party, there have been plenty of Republicans who urged passage of climate legislation. Such supporters included governors like California’s Arnold Schwarzenegger and Florida’s Charlie Crist, along with Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.). But those former advocates have gone silent. The party has decided its best strategy for getting back into power is to deny President Barack Obama, who strongly backed the bill, any victories, no matter what the issue. At the same time, the GOP wants to paint the Democrats as the party of new taxes.

Of course, this Republican plan could backfire. Polls show the public supports action on climate, studies from the Congressional Budget Office and the Environmental Protection Agency show the costs of the legislation would be modest. Eight Republicans voted for the bill.

All of this adds up to powerful forces that were working against the legislation. So why did it pass? Why did major environmental organizations, such as the Natural Resources Defense Council and Environmental Defense Fund, and scores of companies, from General Electric and Shell to utilities like Exelon and Pacific Gas & Electric, pull out all the stops to push it through?

Part of the answer is simple. Many in industry have come to believe that, given what science is learning, the costs of inaction are far greater than the price tag of the legislation. “We need to get started,” says J. Wayne Leonard, CEO of Entergy, a New Orleans-based utility. “The idea of moving this problem to our children just doesn’t work for us.” Yes, energy prices will rise, adds Ralph Izzo, CEO of PSEG Energy in Newark, N.J., “but the world we will leave our kids is a lot better than the world we would otherwise leave.”

Plus, companies figure that curbs on greenhouse gas emissions are inevitable, anyway. Better to get the rules now so that they know what kinds of powerplants or cars to build—and where find new business opportunities. For instance, whoever figures out the best technology for capturing carbon dioxide from smokestacks “will make a ton of money on it,” says William L. Sigmon, senior vice president for engineering, projects & field services at American Electric Power in Columbus, Ohio.

The mere fact that the House passed a bill at all also gives the Obama Administration a stronger hand to play in upcoming international negotiations. There’s no solution to the global climate problem unless China and India agree to cut their own greenhouse gas emissions. Those countries won’t sign on until the U.S., which has been the main contributor to the problem, first shows that it’s serious. Getting a bill through the House is a major sign that the country is moving on the issue.

But perhaps the biggest reason why support remained strong enough to win passage, despite the legislation’s many flaws and opponents, is that the measure is actually expected to work. The basic idea is straightforward: The bill sets a cap on emissions of greenhouse gases. By 2020, emissions must be reduced 17% over 2005 levels. By 2050, emissions must be reduced 80% or more. Staying under these caps is done with a system of permits or allowances. Companies must have an allowance for every ton of greenhouse gas they emit. They are allowed to buy and sell those allowances, but gradually the total number of allowances will be reduced, thus reducing overall emissions.

In the week leading up to the vote, industry groups wrangled fiercely over how those allowances are given out. Should be auctioned off or handed out for free? When utilities managed to win 35% of the initial allowances for free, some environmental groups accused the House of orchestrating a massive corporate giveaway. But the “remarkable” quality of a cap and trade system, says Robert N. Stavins, director of the Harvard Environmental Economics Program, is that all this lobbying really didn’t matter. In some cases the messy political process can doom a policy to failure. It can add enormous efficiencies to a weapons program, for instance (by requiring subcontractors in every district), or completely water down a tax (through loopholes and exemptions). But no matter who wins or loses in the allocation scheme in a cap and trade system, the environmental goal will be reached—and the overall cost to society is the same, says Stavins. “That is the very fortunate property of a cap and trade system. There is this marvelous political safety value.” That’s why the main environmental groups stayed on board, even when individual industries garnered goodies in the bill.

There’s still a long road ahead for the legislation. The Senate isn’t expected to take up the issue until fall at the earliest—and the path to passage there will be tougher. But for now, supporters are savoring their victory. “Today we have taken decisive and historic action to promote America’s energy security and to create millions of clean energy jobs that will drive our economic recovery and long-term growth,” Waxman said.

Adds John W. Rowe, chairman and CEO of Exelon, a Chicago-based utility: “Addressing climate change is one of the most compelling causes of our time, and we applaud the House for taking bold and decisive action to pass this pragmatic and balanced legislation.”

Reader Comments

turbo

June 26, 2009 08:34 PM

More money going to the New world order banks.... more destruction of the united states to build this global government. Get ready for the obama new world order green nazis to audit your home for green house emmissions and tax your business to death.

Angie Lilley

June 26, 2009 08:48 PM

YOU ARE ALL SO INSANE

Trent Aschliman

June 26, 2009 08:53 PM

Let's hope our Senate representatives don't fall for the global warming hoax. And let us live our lives without their interference.

Daniel

June 26, 2009 09:30 PM

Next: A bill tackling the dangers of Continental Drift!

Thogek

June 26, 2009 09:34 PM

A detailed review of existing available scientific research relating to CO2 levels and climate change (citing 132 references and reviewed by over 30,000 scientists) is available at http://www.petitionproject.org/gw_article/GWReview_OISM150.pdf

More about the project behind this paper at http://www.petitionproject.org/

Jackson Franco

June 26, 2009 09:40 PM

1. "Climate Change" will happen with or without man, as it has done for thousands of years.
2. The American people do not know what is in this bill, from higher electricity rates to higher natural gas rates to higher taxes on every natural resource. We simply CANNOT afford this. It WILL prolong the economic slump.
3. The House does not know what is in this bill, but the Obama administration just wants to rush this along with all the other new taxes ("stimulus, et al") before the people have a chance to realize how bad it all is.
4. Over 7,000 climate scientists have spoken out and signed a petition that states "climate change" is NOT caused by man, more than the number of scientists who wrote the UN charter on the topic.
5. This, along with the "stimulus" and "health care reform" is able to succeed to a degree because the American people are, for the most part, sheep who demand to be led, do not care to be involved in the process, do not care to know what is happening in their government, do not care to act on their own behalf and figure that Obama is more intelligent than they are, when in fact he is leading them down the road to higher taxes, higher inflation, higher costs on all natural resources and all because of a false theory that curtailing carbon emissions can make a difference.

Gwen H

June 26, 2009 09:50 PM

This is historic only in that we the US public will have HUGE energy bills that will break the back of most Americans. This is all for a premise, not a truth, that we have Global Warming. This was pushed by the left and some misguided Republicans who are really not Conservatives such as John McCain and Charles Crist. This is going to bite them both big time along with the left of the Democratic party. Climate change occurs throughout history and scientists right here in Michigan have attributed it to things like sun spots, the wobble in the Earth's rotation, many various causes. Climatic climate change occurred PRIOR to automobiles and CO2 emissions. Most of us are fed up with the lies and the corruption. God help us because Washington and politicans cannot!

shawntel

June 26, 2009 09:53 PM

I hope they are as happy when the energy bills go up guess what part and president are going to have to pay for that

Dale

June 26, 2009 09:53 PM

So how many manufacturing companies are we going to loose as the cost to comply far out ways the cost savings to move products our side of the US. More jobs lost, just what we need.

PCollins

June 26, 2009 10:02 PM

All democrats have lost my vote and my friends' votes. This will drive up taxes and destroy the economy.

Loraine

June 26, 2009 10:11 PM

John Carey: Show the proof for your statement: "the emissions of the greenhouse gases that cause global warming." Proof not opinions and slanted studies masquerauding as facts.

And while you are doing so, explain the following:

Kim Strassel, today’s (June 2009) Wall Street Journal:

"Among the many reasons President Barack Obama and the Democratic majority are so intent on quickly jamming a cap-and-trade system through Congress is because the global warming tide is again shifting. It turns out Al Gore and the United Nations (with an assist from the media), did a little too vociferous a job smearing anyone who disagreed with them as 'deniers.' The backlash has brought the scientific debate roaring back to life in Australia, Europe, Japan and even, if less reported, the U.S.

"In April, the Polish Academy of Sciences published a document challenging man-made global warming. In the Czech Republic, where President Vaclav Klaus remains a leading skeptic, today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role. In France, President Nicolas Sarkozy wants to tap Claude Allegre to lead the country’s new ministry of industry and innovation. Twenty years ago Mr. Allegre was among the first to trill about man-made global warming, but the geochemist has since recanted. New Zealand last year elected a new government, which immediately suspended the country’s weeks-old cap-and-trade program.

"The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. — 13 times the number who authored the U.N.’s 2007 climate summary for policymakers. Joanne Simpson, the world’s first woman to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology, expressed relief upon her retirement last year that she was finally free to speak 'frankly' of her nonbelief. Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to a U.N. climate report, dubs man-made warming 'the worst scientific scandal in history.' Norway’s Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, decries it as the 'new religion.' A group of 54 noted physicists, led by Princeton’s Will Happer, is demanding the American Physical Society revise its position that the science is settled. (Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists’ open letter.)

"The collapse of the 'consensus' has been driven by reality."

john

June 26, 2009 10:33 PM

how much money can we pay congress (small c) to do nothing?

If we could somehow bribe our reps and congressmen instead of them taking bribes/paybacks from lobbyists and personal jet flyers like al gore, perhaps the United States has a chance to survive.

Please explain why congressmen, if they are so concerned don't teleconference instead of flying to D.C all the time? Please explain why al gore has a personal jet he flys in to speak on global warming. Please explain why obama travels everywhere with a large motor cage? Please explain why if no one wants large vehicles, which according to the government workers in D.C is why G.M. failed, that a division of G.M., the Hummer was sold to the Chinese but everything else needs taxpayer bailout?

Yeah, I know why and so do you. It's all a plan to destroy private enterprise in the United States. Oh by the way,,, we may still have global warming, and the United States may be warming, and my state may be warming, and my county may be warming, but my town has had two of the coldest winters on record. In fact corn didn't pop out of the ground until May 28. Never seen it so late... thanks obambi for destroying this country which is your ultimate goal

Ceolas

June 26, 2009 10:50 PM

"But perhaps the biggest reason why support remained strong enough to win passage, despite the legislation’s many flaws and opponents, is that the measure is actually expected to work."

Come off it, John/Dan...

Whatever one’s attitude to greenhouse gas emissions, the point is that they can simply and effectively be lowered just by changes in electricity and transport (4/5 of emissions), changes advantageous in themselves, regardless of the emission reduction bonus that are also brought, without the need for complicated all-involving expensive circuitous cap and trade schemes, and without the need to stop Americans from buying what they want, as with current energy efficiency regulation proposals, the light bulb phase-out being an obvious example.

1. Waxman-Markey goals achieved much more easily and effectively:

–Deal with the Problem
–Keep Life Simple
–Work with -not against- Business and Consumers

Electricity generation (coal/gas) and transport (automobiles),
cause nearly 80% of fossil fuel emissions (EPA data) - a focus on them alone easily reaches first phase 2020 reductions without elaborate expensive cap and trade solutions.

Any other industry is only brought on board in the second phase reduction from 2020 onwards if judged to be needed there and then, based on scientific evidence and evidence of the efficacy of emission reduction measures.

Win-Win for America:
1. Local environmental benefit from the reduction of noxious substances emitted from electricity or transport combustion of hydrocarbon fuel, regardless of any less tangible global benefit from CO2 reduction - and that is one reason why the focus on carbon trading is wrong, compared with the focus on reducing fuel combustion emissions.
2. Energy supply benefit from the diversification of electricity generation with related improved grid distribution and service competition for consumers.
3. Energy supply benefit from the diversification (electrification, hydrogen fuel enablement etc) of transport, reducing the dependency on oil imports.

In 2020, from then available evidence, either
1. There is increasing consensus that global warming can’t be stopped anyway, and that further specific reduction attempts have no value: In that case little has been lost, since the described changes in electricity and transport industry carry their own benefit, or
2. Consensus remains that CO2 emission reduction should continue, in which case America is on track, and may continue with more specific emission reduction efforts for the years 2030 aqnd 2050 that also bring in agriculture, cement, steel and other industry whose businesses hitherto did not need disruption.

Cost to businesses - and the consumers - is kept to a minimum,
by equity and long term loan finance, the latter fed/state guaranteed to keep down interest rates, with slow payback giving little affected consumer electricity bills or car costs.
No disruption of American business practice and planning, by emission trading.
No volatile extra emission trading costs for a range of businesses, passed on to consumers.

Understanding Cap and Trade + why it is bad for America, see
http://ceolas.net/#cce5x

2. The assumption is that all energy efficiency legislation is good for consumers.

Wrong…inefficient products need to have special advantages or noone would want them.
The fact is that efficiency regulation on a product sacrifices performance, construction and price features, and does not necessarily give the savings suggested anyway.

See
http://ceolas.net/#cc2x
onwards regarding efficiency regulation effect on buildings, lightbulbs, cars, dishwashers and other products.

.

donna

June 26, 2009 11:32 PM

I want to know exactly who voted yes. Why, why, why are they crippling our indebted nation even more. This could be a very big tax on us.

claudia kinman

June 26, 2009 11:33 PM

Too bad the democrats (and 8 rinos) haven't stayed current with science. Global warming is old news and not a valid argument at all anymore. We are already in a cooling cycle. We have warmed and cooled for centuries, and will continue to do so no matter how much money you throw at nature.
What a bunch of buffoons...they bought this like 10 years ago and haven't updated their info since then.

ann mc

June 26, 2009 11:44 PM

How about just following the money and I will bet your last qoute from the Chicago based utility company will show you that they will gain much money from this and that is why they are so entusiastic. Where are the real journalist when we need them. Follow the money.

David

June 26, 2009 11:46 PM

"There’s no solution to the global climate problem unless China and India agree to cut their own greenhouse gas emissions. Those countries won’t sign on until the U.S., which has been the main contributor to the problem, first shows that it’s serious. Getting a bill through the House is a major sign that the country is moving on the issue."

BULL.
The united states emits far less CO2 than China. Besides, scientists -ones without a political agenda- have shown that solar activity correlates with temperature changes. In fact, it correlates stronger to changes than CO2 does, and changes in CO2 levels FOLLOW changes in temperature by about 800 years. the only reason that CO2 and temperature would be increasing at the same time NOW is that temperature increased about 800 years ago. And by the way, temperatures have been decreasing for a couple of years now. it's time to update your hockey stick charts to show recent years.

But go ahead, be ignorant and say this is great. Believe that our government is saving us from disaster when they're really creating one. What we should be doing is using Nuclear power in the same way France is.

David

June 26, 2009 11:51 PM

Unbelievable! Who are the eight so-called Republicans that actually voted for this swill? They should have the honor of being at the front of the line when we replace the buggers in Washington!

Matt

June 27, 2009 12:00 AM

This bill will effectively be one of the largest tax hikes of all time. I'm ashamed that Representative Markey co-sponsored this as a representation to my home state.

bholson

June 27, 2009 12:19 AM

No bill of this magnitude should be passed with only 3 hours of debate and almost no coverage by the press. No longer is this country a democracy; it is now a ram down the throat majority. I am ashamed of the national press and I am saddened for the consequences of such draconian legislation on the future of the US. We now will produce no product, we will try to catch co2 and put it in the ground, if it is solar flares; the pain inflicted on millions of people for no purpose is a travesty on quality of life.

Beau

June 27, 2009 12:31 AM

I find it rather funny all the comments I have read before are negative. And yet the legislature the people who are supposed to represent us voted the other direction. Funny isn't it?

Bill Simpson of Slidell

June 27, 2009 01:35 AM

Shifting away from fossil fuels would be great, if a viable alternative existed. Unfortunately, no such fuel source is yet available, at least, at a cost which won't greatly increase the cost of energy. Since nearly all production & commerce involves substantial energy use, any increase in the cost of energy will decrease overall economic output. Any decrease in economic output, absent a reduction in population, will make people poorer. The Congress is gambling that, by increasing the cost of fossil fuels, conservation & innovation will be accelerated beyond what would occur at a lower energy cost. I fear that the law of diminishing returns will reduce the effectiveness of the conservation efforts. After all, you can only reduce energy use so much before you start spending more money than you will ever save. No insulation or machine is 100% efficient. Spending an infinite amount of money won't get you there. As to trying to speed innovation, the most productive way to do that is simply to increase money for scientific research. The fortune to be earned from any energy breakthrough provides enough incentive for researchers. But they may need more tools in order to progress faster. Maby the great thinkers in the Congress know something that I don't, but I can't see this effort yielding anything but economic hardship. And if the science is wrong, or if the BRIC countries cheat, as is very likely, we have made ourselves poor for nothing. By then, the economic decline that will have occurred, will be exceedingly difficult to reverse. Ask your Senators to vote "nay" on this dangerous experiment.

Sherry

June 27, 2009 02:01 AM

I really want to cry. I've never imagined in my wildest dreams that America would grow content with someone stealing more and more of ones income in order to satisfy a farst. WE CANNOT create the world PEOPLE. We must take individual responsibility as each person sees fit not be punished becuase of the use of natural energy...

JasonM

June 27, 2009 02:35 AM

Oh great, higher energy bills on top of higher taxes! On to the Senate! I wonder if they actually read the bill this time? Unfortunately the massive lobbyists will have reached many senators by the time the senate votes on this bill so it will more than likely pass there as well. Many people still have the illusion that congress actually works for us. Sadly not enough people even realize whats happening. With democratic control in Congress i dont see an end to their spending and our higher tax bills. All we can do now is get the word out early and focus on 2010 elections and remove some of these people!

michael

June 27, 2009 02:51 AM

This is an important step for the future of energy in our nation. The sooner the problem of our use of coal and other fossil generation is solved the sooner we can have truly a cheap reliable source of energy

Depressed

June 27, 2009 03:15 AM

Perhaps these idiots inWashington anticipate that we are going to get rid of all of them in the mid-terms and feel they have nothing to loose by trashing the country like a bunch of drunken teenagers on their way out. They can all go to .....

Phil

June 27, 2009 03:25 AM

I want to know who voted for this scheme so I can vote them out like I urge everyone to do.
Remember who they are and vote them out next election whatever state you resdide in.

Jane and Tony

June 27, 2009 07:28 AM

America, wake up!!! Take the sheep wool off of your eyes. This bill is ridiculous. If you are like us, you are already strapped for cash. Taxing us will put greater burden on all of us.
This is not about Global Warming, this is about robbing us of our money.

Will

June 27, 2009 07:58 AM

Ann Mc - the truth is global warming can't be proved that it is occurring or that it is not occurring. I suggest looking at comments from independent scientists. We all need to recognize the economy and ecosystems need to come in balance with respect to value and you need to 'follow the money' in this comment thread.

Sheeple

June 27, 2009 08:58 AM

I guess soon, everybody will be making 30.00 an hour. Thats what it will take to make ends meet for their familys, around the corner.

Of all the people to blame for our forthcoming problems, It would be the Major news media which does not report the news. About 85% of the people do not have a clue.

The bilderbergs are controlling the events.

Nathan

June 27, 2009 09:27 AM

Actually, Beau, it's rather sad. The folks in Washington largely seem to be at the beck and call of an administration that appears intent on destroying this country. When the public servants go against the people they are supposed to represent, the people need to use their votes to remind them they are SERVANTS. I'm fortunate that my representative represents me (and the district) accurately. I'll be calling my Senators as I'm not sure how they'll vote on this in the Senate. For those whose representative did not support their ideas, remember this vote, and use your power in the next election cycle.

By the way, nice un-researched article, John and Dan. Perhaps the two of you stand something to gain from this legislation.

chris

June 27, 2009 09:49 AM

There is NO such thing as Global warming. But this is NOT about Global Warming it is about Global Communism and World Domination.

Read the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto and you will see that our government is following along nicely. They started public schools for mind control of our youth. They have now taken control of Business and Industry by bailing out industries or better yet actually taking control. They have now passed a Cap and Trade bill which lets them have control over our power.

Good for them. And may god watch over all of us who thought hey were the good guys. As once said by the founding fathers. There comes time in every mans life when he must decide to fight for his freedoms.

Time to fight guys.

DanTe

June 27, 2009 09:49 AM

Europe tried this cap and trade thingie for the last decade and it failed. What makes Congress think they can do better? Global warming is a problem, but how about listening to real scientists for once? But no, demagoguery is the order of the day - let's listen to the politically correct swill of ethanol and cap&trade.

Sam

June 27, 2009 09:57 AM

Wow. Seems like the whole Republican machinery puts posts on BW. I don't understand why the opposition thinks their job is to oppose no matter what the subject matter.

First, for every subject matter there will always be some who will oppose it (heck, there are nuts who deny holocaust too), so its not hard to find quotes opposing global warming.

Second, lets understand why the issue has come to head in US. Primarily because the consumption (despite improvement in technology) does not seem to to be going down. Why? cause people like you keep using excuses (e.g. china, tax, liberals, my choice etc) to do stupid things.

Third, Lets assume there is no global warming, even then isn't it logical to think the if we keep using non-renewable resources and dumping trash, somethings got to give and something will change? and therefore we should do something about it. Is this so hard to
understand?

So how about doing our part, recycle, stop idling your car, you don't need an SUV to go to work in NYcity. Use your brains and stop wasting your time just opposing everything just because you don't like Obama or democrats or however. If people started to do the right thing we wouldn't need cap and trade

George Fulton

June 27, 2009 10:12 AM

The elite in Washington feel as though they know best for all of us....Cap and trade will finish off a lot of our companies, and cause energy cost to skyrocket....they know this, but money speaks louder than our words ..we are being sold out by the very ones we CHOSE to trust...It is time that all of us do something.We must stop affliating our selves with any party. There is no party left to here our voices...Let's organize as Americans, and put a stop to this insanity..

Heathe4r A

June 27, 2009 10:19 AM

If this bill passes there will be so many americans that will be out of work. Isn't the unemployment rate too high already? Not to mention families that are middle to low income will not be able to survive. As a single parent of 3 I am barely surviving now. If energy rates raise as well as fuel costs I will not be able to afford to drive to work or have electricity in my home. What is Obama's plan, to force the middle income further into poverty. This bill will only serve to send our country further into financial ruins. I wish the representatives that we the people elected would clean the earwax out of their ears and listen to the people.

Anita Di Pietro

June 27, 2009 10:46 AM

Once again the "American People" have lost out to stupidity and special interests. Going, going, gone are the three C's: Constitution, Country and Capitalism.

If your representative voted for the bill, do your best to get them OUT during the next election period. Mine voted AGAINST the bill and is running again.

Guess who's going to be there with lots of support - moral and financial? You got it.

GloomBoom.com

June 27, 2009 11:22 AM

Here we go again, the government solving the world's problems(or imagined problems) on the back of the US taxpayer. Pour some more weedkiller on those green shoots!

Floyd

June 27, 2009 12:20 PM

Does anyone know who the seven Republicans are who voted for this Tax and distroy bill are?

Mark Vernon

June 27, 2009 12:30 PM

This bill will cost a family of four 2000 USD per year. This is 2000 USD that few families can afford to lose on legislation that in the end accomplishes nothing other than the destruction of our way of life.

Obama'a plan to destroy the American economy is almost complete! Al Qaeda salutes Sultan Obama!

Sue G.

June 27, 2009 12:50 PM

I believe many who have made comments to this article are like little babies. They are used to breast feeding and don't want to be weaned. Europeans do a much better job at conserving energy. Americans have long ignored or looked the other way over the environmental impact of toxic emmissions. So clean air costs more, so what? Controlling carbon emmissions is a good thing for our children's future. How many of you drive Hybrids? How many of you are involved with environmental organizations? Yeah, right. I thought so.

Bobby B

June 27, 2009 01:03 PM

Believe it or not, the US recently held a referendum regarding issues such as these. It was called the Presidential election. 130 million Americans voted and 70 million of those (approx 52%) voted for Barack Obama - who made it clear prior to the election his intentions regarding climate change. So, for serious minded folks like me, who understand the perils of continuing down this carbon path, I congratulate the President and the House leadership. Hopefully we will pass along a cleaner planet to our children.

Mark C

June 27, 2009 01:24 PM

There still has been no scientific proof that global warming is man-made and our history of studying the earth's changes is very short. The "warming" trend appears to be over and yet this power/money-grab by liberals goes on.

Pam

June 27, 2009 01:27 PM

If we convert our cars from gas to electric we are effectively converting our cars from gas burning to coal burning....since most electricity in the US is derived from coal. What a total joke. If Obama was only a fraction of the true leader that I thought he was going to be, this country would be on course to build 500 nuclear facilities within the next two decades. Every coal plant in the country converted to nuclear.....then every car converted to electric.....then totally clean air and total energy independence.

What do we get instead? This HUGE tax increase on lower income (bottom 50%) American workers ....disguised as an environmental bill. This bill stands for everything that I'm against.

brazin

June 27, 2009 01:43 PM

money, power, and get ones name in the history books. thats what humans care about. not many true earthers out there.

Tom Ward

June 27, 2009 02:18 PM

The only thing transparent about this Administration is that it is clearly irresponsible in its conduct of governing!
The fantasy that true deliberation could be rendered to a 1210 page bill is indicative of the departure from reality by the Obama-nation.

The very content of the C&T legislation is suspect, in light of the dissenting reports within the EPA.

President Obama is running roughshod over the legislative process because he lives by the mantra, "Yes, I can."

The 2010 election can't come soon enough.

Fred Wolf

June 27, 2009 02:21 PM

It is amazing to read an article like this. Very simply laid out, easy to understand, and extremely transparent. It is filled with flaws of logic and assumptions, used as springboards for their following paragraphs. Assertions that have not been proven (to say the least) are stated with matter of fact confidence, and the article continues until the next unproven premise is stated. It is always curious to me, when reading an article such as this, why even a cursory reading reveals such huge problems. Is it lazy reporting, or intentionally tendentious? By this time, I think it is safe to assume the latter, for there is enough evidence at this point demanding the addition of words such as "controversial", or "theoretical" in reporting on this subject. No wonder I rarely trust main stream media to report on anything remotely involving the wishes, plans, or dreams of the left in American politics.

FJ

June 27, 2009 03:25 PM

Does anyone actually believe that an 80% reduction by 2050 is possible especially considering that the population is forecast to grow by 50%?

A reduction of this magnitude would require a massive downsizing of economic activity and take us back to ~1900. I would like to see an honest economic analysis of what would be required to to meet the 80% reduction. Should we stop building new highways and airports today? Should the stimulus dollars go for bicycle paths instead of highway construction? What is the long term impact on home prises as the cost of heating/cooling skyrockets? What energy intensive industries (aluminum, steel, refining) will move offshore? Who are the winners (China) and losers (USA/West Virginia)?

I am disgusted that our congress continues to pass 1000+ page bills will all sorts of changes at the last minute so that few know what they are voting on.

And yes, I am for addressing climate issues based on good science and economics.

Patrick

June 27, 2009 03:48 PM

This will simply drive more jobs overseas to countries that are more business friendly. Global warming might be real but to think we have the ablilty to affect the global climate is the epitome of arrogance. When the last major ice age ended due to global warming there weren't any power plants or cars. We like to think of the Earth as a stable environment when in fact the Earth is constantly changing and we are powerless to change that; if we could we wouldn't have tornadoes, hurricanes, flooding, etc. This is just the government both Dems & Reps wanting more control and power. Shame on our Congress, the White House, and the American people for letting this happen. It's time to make a stand!

Strategery

June 27, 2009 03:54 PM

"All of this adds up to powerful forces that were working against the legislation. So why did it pass?" Here's the deal: members of CONGRESS are the ones responsible for writing laws. LOBBIEST ARE NOT LAWMAKERS, as much as they like to think they are.

I disagree with this bill because it will not change anything. Industries will simply move their operations to other countries with less restrictive laws; just like they did with the Clean Air and Clean Water acts and OSHA, among other laws. Oil refineries will move to Mexico and Canada (Canada has looked the other way with regards to CO2 emissions as evident by the development of tar sands). Remnants of the natural resource and manufacturing industries will move to China (including automakers). CO2 emissions from ships, trains and trucks will increase because these products will be shipped around.

Rich in Boise

June 27, 2009 04:01 PM

Where can we find the names of congressmen that voted for the "CAP & TRADE Bill"?

We had all better let our Senators know we want this bill defeated in the Senate. Start calling today!!!

Glenn

June 27, 2009 04:27 PM

How do you spell stupid? CONGRESS

Dick Davies

June 27, 2009 05:19 PM

Climate control my ass. Anyone who voted for that UNREAD piece of legislation should be voted OUT.......
Not one person seems to know what is in it. Just another way to add $ to the GE's and investment bankers of the country's balance sheets.

Dick Davies

June 27, 2009 05:19 PM

Climate control my ass. Anyone who voted for that UNREAD piece of legislation should be voted OUT.......
Not one person seems to know what is in it. Just another way to add $ to the GE's and investment bankers of the country's balance sheets.

Dick Davies

June 27, 2009 05:19 PM

Climate control my ass. Anyone who voted for that UNREAD piece of legislation should be voted OUT.......
Not one person seems to know what is in it. Just another way to add $ to the GE's and investment bankers of the country's balance sheets.

Dick Davies

June 27, 2009 05:19 PM

Climate control my ass. Anyone who voted for that UNREAD piece of legislation should be voted OUT.......
Not one person seems to know what is in it. Just another way to add $ to the GE's and investment bankers of the country's balance sheets.

Al B

June 27, 2009 11:35 PM

Did anyone in CONGRESS read the bill before the VOTE? The bill was completed @ 3 AM...over 1000 pages!!!! We pay again!!!

David G

June 28, 2009 02:12 AM

I counted 32 responses to this articles and even among those that believe in man-made "global warming" or "climate change" as they like to call it now don't support this bill except 1, Sam, and rightly so. Which poll was John referring to when he said "Polls show the public supports action on climate".

I think "climate change" is also called winter, spring, summer and fall but that's me.

Most man-made global warming believers are hypocrites like Al Gore and Gov. Mark Sanford. I know, Sanders is a hypocrite for a different reason. The truth is "man-made global warming" is a religion and those that are believers think the rest of us are infidels.

When Mt. St. Helen blew it's top it put an equivalent of 40 years worth of industrial pollution in the atmosphere and that one was small as volcanoes go. Then there are cows, termites and undersea thermo pockets that give off large amounts of methane which is 23x more potent than CO2. Then of course we have solar flares. Do volcanoes, cows and termites have to reduce there emissions?

As noted most of you responding to this article are on the right side of this bill. It's full of crap. But it's not law yet! It still has to pass the Senate where it will have a tougher fight. So e-mail and or call your Senators and tell them to vote no. Better yet educate your friends and have them call the Senators was well.

The reason I say "educate" is because most people has no idea what "cap and trade" is or are only just hearing about it now unless they are still crying about MJ's passing. Seriously, I work around some smart people. But I asked about 12 of them if they knew what "cap and trade" was and although some had heard the term not 1 knew a darn thing about it. This is the real reason our country is declining. Most people are counting on the media to educate them but they have their own agenda.



Nate

June 28, 2009 03:34 AM

If this Bill is passed, we're going to see massive job losses, and business moving to other countries. The Goverment is worried about perserving the world for future generations...How about rethinking the effect it's going to cause, like more poverty when people loose there jobs because of higher taxes, and clean energy. I guess there not going to be satisfied until everybody is on walefare!

Dan Crowley

June 28, 2009 04:02 AM

I get this funny feeling that some American People have become so caught up in the green movement they are sacrificing our economic future. Why would we push a public policy that will in the end anger the People of this country. When average Americans start getting the larger energy bills, they will eventually link this expense to the green/global warming movement. Instead of having long term social change we will instead have angry people who will start rejecting conservation efforts. Is this the best policy we can come up with? You have one the battle and lost the whole war.

AntonioSosa

June 28, 2009 12:50 PM

As we can see from the comments here, NO informed American believes the moronic man-made warming fairy tale. However, our representatives had to pretend they believed the fairy tale and vote for a bill that will empoverish us and enslave us! And they were not even given time to read it!

The bill was indeed historic as far as the lies, manipulation, intimidation and bribes used to force the House to pass Obama’s jobs killing, economy killing bill! Corruption and coercion have reached levels previously seen only in Marxist dictatorships like those of Cuba or Venezuela.

Obama’s Cap and trade is another giant step towards Marxism — and the corruption, poverty, enslavement, destruction and despair that Marxism entails.

Obama is working much faster than Hugo Chavez at destroying the economy and imposing Marxism. No wonder the Russians are gloating:

From Pravda: “…the American descent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people…” http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-american_capitalism-0

We are NOT hapless sheeple! We must do whatever is necessary to defend ourselves and our children from the Marxist dictatorship that’s being set up in Washington.

Hitler

June 28, 2009 02:36 PM

Good job guys!

Undrdog

June 28, 2009 06:56 PM

Even assuming the bill had merit and even assuming that global warming caused by man is real - both of which are unreal assumptions - why would anyone consider voting on it unless and until the rest of the world also agreed to do something about CO2 emissions?

Joe Sixpack

June 28, 2009 08:44 PM

Are they now going to "CAP" the Volcanos, too? They happen to be, by far the worst polluters in the World, surpassing anything in a few moments, what Man has done or could do in a Century of polluting. What a sham to collect more money from all energy users

John

June 28, 2009 09:31 PM

Sooner or later we will realise that the future of power generation is nuclear power. We must swallow our prejudices against the nuclear option because it is the only way left to generate sufficient power without harming the environment.It is working magnificently in France and on a smaller scale in other countries. We will eventually be forced into it. Many experts are already convinced of this. The technology is here and has been for some time. Only fear of nuclear accidents prevents development on a massive scale.There is absolutely no doubt that we will go nuclear in the years ahead. We need to start now.
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ryan

June 28, 2009 10:44 PM

John Carey, the author, states, "Polls show the public supports action on climate" but where is all the public support here? I am having a hard time finding anyone who has posted a reply that supports that redistrubuting, Tax hiking, bait and switch

molan labe

June 28, 2009 11:21 PM

This bill has NOTHING to do with the environment but control and power! Yes, al gore, goldman sacks, and all of there wall street friends will get rich off this outrageous ponzi scheme but, the purpose is to set up world taxes for a world government. This bill is going to double your utility bills, gas at the pump is going to skyrocket, obama is going to have green stazi youth coming to your house to make sure its "green" enough. To learn more about why this is all happening google the new world order or go to infowars .com

Jamie Khoo

June 29, 2009 01:11 AM

Bill Simpson: Its not about moving away from fossil fuels, its about capping gas emissions.

DanTe: Actually, the EU program is fairly successful. Check out their report here:
http://www.eea.europa.eu/pressroom/newsreleases/2009-greenhouse-inventory-report

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The truth is America won't be hurt THAT much. Why? Because first world countries are moving towards a serviced-based industry, away from the manufacturing/producing industry. Think of it... most of your goods are made in... China. This is partially why China is polluting the earth more than it used to.

Having said that, America still does have some manufacturing plants, but not as much as it used to. Our economy will not be hurt that badly by such a bill. Perhaps our taxes won't even reflect much of a change.

Besides, aren't we already complying with EPA standards? Going up another notch wouldn't kill us.

PLUS we get cleaner air. Unlike Beijing, where some athletes were afraid to go over for the Oylmpics due to the terrible pollution! (Of course that wasn't the only reason: Tibet and Dalai Lama was the other reason).

media joke

June 29, 2009 08:00 AM

What's the next boogy-man? If I don't die from the swine flu joke, the global warming catastrophy, all those terrible law abiding gun owners, or bid laden.....
I think we should tax each breathe we take (to fund the clean air act?).
The government could set up clinics to measure your lung capacity and then you can pay your daily breathing tax. If you hold your breathe, you could sell it with the cap & trade breathe of fresh air exchange board.
Has the "average" American really become so ignorant, that "government" will "take care of us" because we are so stupid and weak and incapable of common sense, we need big government to take our entire check, if the PRIVATE "federal" reserve doesn't confiscate it through inflation?

Dermot

June 29, 2009 10:12 AM

This is not a bill to help protect our planet. That was just used as an excuse just like the word "Patriot" was used to encourage the passing of the Patriot Act. This bill may be "the straw that breaks the camel's back" of Small Business and is the final nail in the coffin in the Governments goal of wiping out the middle class here in the U.S. I am moving my business abroad. Goodbye America (in more ways than one).

ottoteller

June 29, 2009 01:26 PM

Hold on a minute. Forget about global warming. Just take it out of the picture altogether. What does remain is an unsustainable approach to energy production and distribution. You can put as many "drill baby drill" stickers on your car as you want, and it will not create enough domestic supplies of gas and oil to make us self-sufficient. The age of cheap energy is over; it is going to cost us more, period. This bill did not create that situation. Had the voices dominating this blog discussion taken the bull by the horns sooner, they might have effected a resolution more to their liking; but they did not, content to wallow in self-denial, while mindlessly attempting to perpetuate an energy model whose day has come and gone.

Hummmm!!!!

June 29, 2009 02:39 PM

It's Called Change! Didn't the majority of the country vote for HIM and the CHANGE?

joe lee

June 29, 2009 10:28 PM

Hey Sam,

I guess you want us to go back to the Stone Age. Dont we want progress? The Deomocrats want us to go backward. What a shame on the Democrats; they want to use the global waming money to fund their health care and their pet project, especially Al F&*^K Gore.

Michael L. Wagner

June 29, 2009 11:54 PM

See, the thing is--there is no method of “greening” Coal-fired Power Plants...

So..., instead the Climate Bill channels BILLIONS of dollars to the fantasy that is called Clean Coal, such that King Coal makes out like a bandit, while the consumer pays and pays...

Here Read:

The illusion of clean coal / The Economist:

“The world is investing too much cash and hope in carbon capture and storage.”

+ The ‘Clean Coal’ Lobbying Blitz / The Center for Public Integrity::

“They’re the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity, a collection of 48 mining, rail, manufacturing, and power-generating companies with an annual budget of more than $45 million — almost three times larger than the coal industry’s old lobbying and public relations groups combined.”

+ Clean Coal or Dirty Coal? / Alternative Energy Blog:

“… Peabody Energy, the world’s largest coal company spent over 5% of its revenues on political contributions, for comparison Exxon Mobil and General Motors spent a fraction of one percent. In seeming return for such generosity, The Energy Policy Act of 2005 included five billion dollars of subsidies for the coal industry.”

+Stimulus Money Puts Clean Coal Projects on a Faster Track / NY Times:

“The allocation of $3.4 billion in the federal stimulus bill for carbon capture and sequestration, as carbon storage is often called, however, has allowed Duke Energy and other companies to consider mounting full-scale projects.”

+ Climate Change Protection, or Climate Change Assurance? / Bloggers for Change:

“… the 1,200-page bill would also devote $60 billion to making sure clean coal isn't a loser.”

+ The Case Against Carbon Trading / Transnational Institute:

"... Citigroup’s Peter Atherton confessed that the European Union’s Emission Trading Scheme had 'done nothing to curb emissions.’ He admitted, ... Prices up, emissions up, profits up ...’ Who wins and loses? Coal and nuclear-based generators--biggest winners. Hedge funds and energy traders--even bigger winners. Losers ... Consumers!”

+ Why China Could Blame Its CO2 on West / WSJ, 11/12/07.

"If you have emission constraints, it's become very attractive to relocate dirty production to developing countries ... You import the finished goods, and leave the pollution in China.”

In fact, the Magnetic Levitation Wind Turbine simply uses PERMANENT MAGNETS to provide power equal to a small Nuclear Power Plant—at a tiny fraction of the price-tag…

The MagLev’s low-center-of-gravity = perfect for offshore = areas surrounding the US = 24/7!!!

And the MagLev's low friction = operates off of wind as slow as 3 mph!!!

Here Read:

+ Popular Science's 20th Annual Best of What's New Awards / Nanosolar Homepage:

--This honor goes to the remarkably designed PowerSheet flexible solar cells. Imagine a solar panel without the panel. Nanosolar has created an ink that takes sunlight and converts it into electricity. The ink is coated onto metal sheets as thin as aluminum foil with a printing-press-like device. The sheets are lighter, inexpensive and as efficient as traditional solar panels. The editors of PopSci believe that eventually every commercial rooftop could be carpeted with PowerSheet solar cells."

Wind/Solar could make very clean Hydrogen for "rainy days."

Of course, the distribution problem with Hydrogen Cars is not a problem with Hydrogen Power plants, nor with Hydrogen Jumbo Jets...

Stephanie

June 30, 2009 10:22 AM

People will deny global warming is an issue because ultimately it comes down to the realization that our way of life is obscenely wasteful. While I like my life just as much as the rest of you, it doesn't make it right. Other countries don't live to the excess we do - we say it's because we're the most powerful or the best, but really it's because we've been stupid and have subsidized oil in this country for far too long. In Italy, petrol is like $15 per litre. It's time we join the rest of the world and realize this is an issue - that will be the way we become TRUE leaders.

Unfortunately there will have to be massive destruction (ie: Florida goes under water or millions of people die in hurricanes) before many realize this is a real issue.

CO2 is a bad - "bads" are meant to be taxed. We need to start looking at CO2 like we do carbon monoxide. When the price of oil increases, people will begin looking for alternatives (it's proven that this begins at $3/gal). It's going to take a long time, but eventually we will have an alternative energy source.

Brazil has a diverse energy portfolio and that is what we need. We are putting all of our eggs in one basket with petroleum, and just like mom always said, putting all your eggs in one basket is never a good idea.

Len White

June 30, 2009 11:38 AM

Despite most of the comments on this article I think most rational people intuitively realize a fossil fuel based economy is susceptible to disruption, is a finite resource being exhausted progressively faster with each passing year by world industrialization, and similar to smoking cigarettes likely isn’t healthy for the planet or its inhabitants.

Unfortunately society never seems to take anything seriously until it becomes a crisis. So while global warming may be the most serious long term threat – it’s not the only one. Personally I think the potentially catastrophic impacts on our planets and inhabitants health, and economy far outweigh the consequences of beginning to address the issue now, even if that means moderately energy higher costs in the short term.

Sad

June 30, 2009 12:24 PM

Yes, some of us are wasteful and shame on us - but guess what?! We do not control the climate in any way. Do your part not to waste and KEEP GOVERNMANT our of our lives. They are the biggest wasters I have ever seen - especially with our money. By the way, why did "Global Warming" change to "Climate Control"? Because, we can prove that global warming didn't actually happen! Same with climate control!

Precisely

June 30, 2009 07:15 PM

One of the Republicans that voted for this bill was Dave Reichart of Washinton. I called his office to ask why he voted yes. I was told that I would get an email outlining his position.
There was no verbal answer because, I believe, he is reading it for the first time now and will post formulate his opinion.
Mittel Steel, largest in the world with many plants in the US, has said they will not expand here but will focus elsewhere because of these changes should they become law.
As we now know, the EPA came out with a statement last week saying that CO2/warming has not been proven and at best is a theory. Of course that was supressed by our new ' Open and Transparent Administration.
So - the EPA says the link between warming and CO2 it is highly questionable. Do those in Congress who criticized the past administration for the ' facts ' of WMD see any parallel here?
Using the CO2 argument to pass this bill is disengenuous at best.
Of course it is wise to use as little energy to get a job done as is possible.
That is just common sense.
That - common sense - is something that should be taught in school. Along with our history and vigorous discussion on Constitutional Law.
Check out the KIPP schools, started in Brooklyn,NY. They operate on small budgets, large class rooms, don't have new buildings or computures or - unionized teachers. The children generally do very well even though they come from self described ' poor ' and/or single parent households.
It is honorable to build schools in Afghanastan. It is critical to truly educate the children in this country in the basics which include government.

David

June 30, 2009 07:41 PM

Here we are, a bunch of American citizens voicing our opinions in a forum which the communist on the hill and in the white house never see. Even if they did, would it make any difference? There are petitions all over the Internet, but do not find their way to the desired destination. Would it make any difference if they did? Obama Mania is everywhere. It all happens so fast, the majority of hard working people are unaware of dire situations. Let's face it, we are losing the very thing our troops are so diligently fighting for. It is called freedom. Ask the small tobacco grower or the retailer on the Indian reservation. Their businesses are gone. Next time you turn on your light switch, it will cost you a small fortune. Take you car to be emission tested and it fails. This is only the beginning. And all in the name of the wellbeing for our children. My ass.

mike

July 1, 2009 12:20 AM

I just love paying for the world pollution. Very smart move by our great Gov

Charles R. Anderson, Ph.D.

July 1, 2009 05:38 AM

The carbon cap and trade bill is both a massive tax on every American and a huge power grab for control of our economy. To take action, one needs energy, so if you control the use of energy, you control almost all activity. This satisfies the power lust of any good fascist socialist.

Meanwhile, the global warming scare tactic is falling apart with the accelerating destruction of the man-made CO2 emissions global warming theory as new scientific study after study shows that effect to be very small, while natural effects are indicated instead. Catastrophic man-made global warming is a fraud, as is the idea that this cap and trade energy tax will do anything to improve our climate future.

Maria Clayton

July 1, 2009 11:12 AM


1)Mother Nature has not spoken to our Goverment.

2)Neither has Mother Nature had a one on one conversation with Al Gore, this is called we are taking from the American people.

3)As our Goverment Officials your are working for us the American People not the American People working for our Goverment.

4)Stop with the lies. This is America Land of the Free. we stand for the Constitution that our forefathers wrote for the people.

bill andrews

July 1, 2009 12:50 PM

This bill is a terrible burden upon our society.. It is just another tax. Unfortunatly the people of America send people to Washington to "represent us" and they forget what they are supposed to do. Evidently everybody in Washington believes that they are supposed to make more laws to restrain more people. I wonder how many laws are on the books and how many I break everyday? And I believe I am a good citizen of our country.
Why do some of these proposed bills have to be so long that our representatives cannot possibly have enough time to read them and comprehend what they will do to us. Add to that- ammendments that are 300 pages long and you have a disaster waiting to happen.
I happen to be 62 years old and I worry more about the future generations of our country more than myself but I must admit, it looks like I will be working forever if this congress continues to make poor decisions. I already cannot wait for the next election.

NellieR

July 1, 2009 02:51 PM

Here is where you can read list of votes for this bill, plus interesting map. http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/111/house/1/477

did anyone read it? rep Waxman hired a speed reader to read the 1000 page bill in committee. Humorous or making a mockery of legislative process? A 300 page amendment was added at 3am prior to the vote. The bill will raise the cost of energy to "encouraqe" lsee use. Will we eventually all have compulsary regulators on our meters, which are now voluntary in some areas.

annamaria

July 1, 2009 03:53 PM

At least, demand of your Congress-persons that they READ the entire bill.

newphase75

July 1, 2009 05:13 PM

haters, keep on hating.

Wow, you folks turn my stomachs. Why don't you try reading some peer-reviewed science studies (any will do, the majority of all fields INCLUDING OIL PRODUCTION support global warming being man-made), research UNBIASED sources (FACTCHECK.ORG and SNOPES.COM), and accept that we all still have the same resource waste issues after you get your next paycheck unless we do something?

Sitting back watching government make decisions you don't agree with and tax you for it? See 2003-2007. Except PEOPLE DIED from your tax money.

A "massive tax"? Wait until your crops stop growing and you get cancer. And is it that ANY solution, from making people healthier to savings the environment to rebuilding the economy, is always pitted against "higher taxes"? Is nothing more sacred, or evil?

Wasn't capitalism, in all of its similar single-minded wisdom, already shipping "your" jobs oversees decades ago? And do you think that THOSE countries are going to get away with polluting for any length of time? The world is watching China and India like a hawk, demanding they act, and MOST OF THEIR CITIZENS ARE IN POVERTY. Here we are complaining about the price of Wii consoles. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

There are MANY, MANY unread pieces of legislation that get voted on. MANY. It is normal, and it is disgusting, but there is only so much work that our ELECTED OFFICIALS (i.e. WE WANTED THEM) can complete. You just don't like this one.

And it would be nice if you all actually tried to understand that this is about changing the fundamental flaws in our economy that will critically endanger it AGAIN if we don't overhaul it. We don't have recessions without market failure. This market needs to be put back on the tracks.

Grow up, and do some research for your own sake. FACTCHECK.ORG, FACTCHECK.ORG, FACTCHECK.ORG.

End the ignorance.

Michael Reule

July 1, 2009 10:20 PM

Regardless of one's opinion about the existence of global warming, our country's dependence on foreign oil fills the pockets of petro-dictators. How much money and human life have we sacrificed in Iraq? Post-9/11, America should have worked to lessen our dependence on foreign oil rather than rushing to take down one dictator while bankrolling others.

I had a hard enough time wading through a 35 page Oregon bill (HB 2626) this afternoon with its references to other law. I looked up the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 but was unable to confirm the page length. Anyone want to share how to determine total page length for this and other Congress legislation?

AmericaNoMore

July 2, 2009 09:51 AM

I really feel at home on this page. I'm amazed at all of the ppl sleeping as this stuff goes on within our government. My friends truly are not even sure what this bill is or could mean. We as a nation have become sooo narcissistic that we haven't been worried about what's going on in washington. Well I have finally woke up and I urge more americans to really wake up before insane bills like this pass or even more ridiculous bills pass. I guarantee if we idly sit by and do nothing there will be a new bill to go through house and senate about oh jeez, i don't know, how to inprison ppl like us who don't agree with whats going on in washington. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

Jessica

July 2, 2009 03:50 PM

Daniel.. You are soo funny.
This is kind of like a war on Terror! Or a war on drugs. Or a war on sadness. Or a war on wind.
cracks me up to think that all of a sudden, we are in this huge dilemma of "global warming."
Considering we have only had the technology to track the actual temp for 100 years or so, this seems a little outrageous to me.
By the way.. there have been many MANY scientists that have come out and stated that "Man made global warming" is not real.
Honestly, why do you think the government decided to get on board with this man-made global warming, and the whole "making your planet green" hoax? Because they can benefit from it and make it sound like we all can. When really, our Earth has been around for millions and millions of years and industrialization has been around for just over 100 years....
You really think we are going to destroy the earth that fast?
Has anyone even stopped to think that maybe... just maybe.. the sun is getting hotter? Wich would also explain why Saturn's moons are melting?
God forbid the earth's climate change. Even though it has been throughout.. uhh, I don't know, ALL TIME!
So those of you who believe in this stupidiness, kootos.
We are probably all going to die from an asteroid anyway.

Jacob

July 2, 2009 04:41 PM

I live in West Virginia and my Dad is a works in the coal industry, not as a miner, but that doesnt matter. If this bill passes, my dad will lose his job and most of our income will be gone. I can only pray this bill fails.

Dane

July 2, 2009 09:05 PM

You can see who voted yes and no at this website:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml

I am absolutly outraged that as a Country, we have allowed our Government leaders to get this far. On one hand, I want to see these things happen, so that as a country, we will wake up when it fails. On the other hand though, I want to squash this before it ever happens, so that my kids aren't paying for the mistake, the mistake that we made thinking that it would make the generation better.
When will we, as a country, stand up and say enough is enough. Better yet, when will we have someone that will run for office that actually cares where this country goes.

Kendall

July 3, 2009 11:20 PM

I can understand the idiot Democrats (i.e. socialists) in Congress supporting this abomination, but these utility CEO's are equally clueless. Do your research. Global warming as a crisis is the most massive fraud of our age, particularly when it drives us to engage in such economic masochiusm. Stop being led around by the nose.

The global warming hysteria is a phenomenon of "presentism," an inordinate preoccupation with what is happening now rather than a reflection of a healthy historical perspective. Average world temperatures, to the extent that one can assemble them from a combination of direct measurable observation and paleoclimatological proxies, have fallen within a range of about three degrees C over the past 3,000 years. From that perspective, the earth is currently just below the average and only about 0.8 C higher than 1850, which is considered the end of the Little Ice Age.

Temperatures were warmer in the Medieval Warm Period 800-1300 A.D.) than they are today and, naturally, without the effects of increased CO2. Though Al Gore, who has unfortunately injected politics into the debate, tries to minimize the MWP, he cannot explain away the historical evidence of Vikings who farmed a Greenland which, today, is under a thick layer of permafrost. Current temperatures are about 1 degree C below the MWP.

Man is probably responsible for a small piece of warming in recent decades, but his contribution pales next to a variety of natural forces, including the 100,000 elliptical cycle, the 41,000 year-year axial cycle, the 23,000-year precession (wobble) cycle, and the 1,500-year solar-driven cycle, as well as the influences of such factors as clouds, cosmic rays, oceans, water vapor, the urban heat island effect and greenhouse gases. Do the math. Of the greenhouse gases, water vapor constitutes 60%, carbion dioxide only 20%. But man's share of the CO2 is only 3.5%. The U.S. share 0.7%

It is ludicrous to make much of such a small increase in the 1979-1998 era, or attribute it primarily due to AGW, after factoring in all these influences. It is only in the period from 1979-1998 that there is a correspondence of CO2 and slightly higher temperatures (about 0.4 degrees C). In the other two periods of the 20th century (1916-1945 and 1945-1978), there is no correspondence; one was up in the face of lower levels of CO2 and the other was down in the face of rising CO2.

Why the preoccupation with CO2 then? Because, unlike all the other factors, it has the potential to be used as a political stick to advance a agenda of regulatory command and control from on high and a lever for international control over American sovereignty. It is no coincidence that Obama appointed Harold Koh, a radical proponent of world government and limitations on American sovereignty as Legal Advisor to the State Department at the same time as he appointed Steven Chu, a far-left global warming advocate, as Secretary of Energy.

Another area on which politics has corrupted the process: purported sea level rise. Al Gore has predicted a 20-foot rise in sea levels in his propaganda piece shown to many impressionable schoolchildren in the absence of any counter arguments. Senator Lieberman, in 2001, predicted a 35-foot rise. Both are devoid of scientific reality or support. In reality, sea levels have been rising at the same rate since the end of the last ice age 12,500 years ago and have shown no acceleration in the 20th-21st centuries. The IPCC (2007) predicts a sea level rise of only 8-18 inches by 2,100. The leading sea level scientist, Nils-Axel Mörner, predicts a rise of 4 inches, based on 35 years of direct observational data from points all over the globe. Sadly, Obama's energy secretary, with no expertise in the field, is predicting major sea level rise, but presents no data to support it. I believe he is simply trying to please his master.

There are far too many global warming alarmism skeptics to dismiss as pawns of big oil, which is common tactic of the political forces aligned in favor of AGW. They simply cannot believe that anyone can arrive at conclusions different than their own unless they have been bought off. In reality, it is government funding which has corrupted the scientific enterprise far more, to the tune of billions of dollars. Just as lawyers can easily find doctors or other experts to support their cases in courts of law, scientists are also corrupted by money which flows too freely to those who advance desired scientific results.
President Eisenhower warned of this in the 1950s and it has now become re4ality. Many scientists have become whores to the federal grant-making apparatus.

It is also important to note the dishonesty of the AGW crowd and politicians like Henry Waxman (to name just one) which touts the "unanimous consensus of the IPCC's 2,500 scientists." In reality, there are only 60-700 scientists among the 22,500. The remainder are government representatives, many of whom view the IPCC as a transfer mechanism whereby American wealth can be moved from our shores to theirs. CO2, then, becomes a convenient guilt-inducing mechanism for effectuating this transfer.

This debate is primarily a political one. Though we know many things, the science is still in a relative state of infancy, and certainly nowhere far enough advanced to justify such punitive and economically debilitating measures as cap and trade, the pain from which will be onerous and far-reaching. Ironically, given the fact that the projected reduction of temperature due to cap and trade is likely to be only 0.7 degrees C by 2050, there is no way Congress or anyone else can measure the success of this monstrosity against the other natural factors influencing climate. In reality, it will constitute the greatest case of economic masochism in our nation’s history

N12707

July 4, 2009 11:19 AM

ONE MAJOR QUESTION:
Where is the money going to come from? People are out of work, unemployment is at or close to 9.6% with no releif in site. To put higher electric bills on us in the Southwestis noty fair. Thisd is a place were the temperature gets to 112 degress in the summes, and that is nuts.
It WILL put people out of business. How does that help? The people who make RVs, Travel Trailers, etc. If they have to pay a higher fuel cost, they just won't buy the units. Hense no product purchase, no need to make the untis anymore. Now, more people will be out of work.
I am a Democrate, But it looks like we may have to make a change again in four years, if the Democrates keep wanting higher and higher taxes.
Think hard on what they are trying to do and write your reps. to get this thing stop.

william mony

July 5, 2009 10:26 AM

to those who continue call this bill good, relaize these facts

lobbysists wrote this bill, which means politicians and companies get rich together while the middle class pays, and the poor do not suffer. the middle class is already being destroyed slowly as they are asked to pay fr everything-the rich will get richer as they probably invest in the "cap and trade". the poor will have their higher gas and electric bills paid.

also, adding 300 pages a 3 am, is this the trasnparency obama talked about?? do most relaize what was added was an epa inspection force and larger government, which will make older homes come under scrutiny, are perhaps not even be able to be sold without "green" improvements. is this the usa where we are suppose to have freedom?? how can a family afford any more govt "costs"

th those who say americans live a wasteful life and blah blah, do we really need to give up our freedoms to achieve this?? didn't most innovations come from the natural cycle of profit motive?? what has the govt ever discovered other than the fllecing of the taxpayer??

for those who talk of "moderate" increases, most of us can't afford 2000 dollar increases on electric and $6 a gallongas?? how will we pay our bills?? I live in marylnd where it gets ever more expensive due to taxes every year, how will my family make it?? Iam making half of what i wasdue to the economy(commissio only sales) we have already cut to the bone-we don't get to go on vacations on the taxpayer dime like congress or obama..i suspect those who say this get a paycheck not based on production-just show up like a govt job

and to sue g, yes i am a little baby-god forbid i want to support my family and not pay more to the god-your govt, and keep more of my money which i earn-not turn it over to GE(who owns the carbon tarding scheme)and the govt

to those so intent on making us spain-great cap and trade scheme-nearing 20% umemployment, you aren't the ones probably going to have to struggle-you work for the govt, state, etc.-no one who actually works could ever be for this monstrosity-there is much better ways to conserve because i guranteed the govt will only accomplish spreading misery

wm

Doug

July 6, 2009 12:37 PM


Chronic hunger may be "the defining human tragedy of this century," as climate change causes growing seasons to shift, crops to fail, and storms and droughts to ravage fields, according to an Oxfam International report released today.

What will the cost be to the U.S.?

rose scitt

July 7, 2009 05:07 AM

Remember all the promises that nothing was going to be done in secret? The stimulus package was done in secret without any one of the members of congress reading it. No one in congress has read the cap and trade bill either. I doubt if they have read the health care bill either. Why is Obama appointing all of these czars who have no one to accout to but him. The goverment has no right to be in the banking business, the auto industry, the health care business or anything else that the American people should be able to take care of themselves. They shouldn't be able to put a cap on anyone's salary or tax rich people unfairly. We shouldn't be told what we can and cannot eat, how much electricity we use, how much we drive, how to raise our children and all of the other things they are sticking their noses in. If they cut out all of the waste in all governments we wouldn't have such big debts. If they didn't give welfare and social security to dead people they would have more money for the important things.
I have heard a lot of people say that we will just vote these people out in the next election. At the rate this presidency has gone in just six months, by the time four years are up we may not have elections anymore. We were told that we would have change, but were never told what the change would be. We are finding out now. Some of you who voted for Obama may well wish you had FOUR MORE YEARS OF BUSH, as he kept saying over and over again. From the person with the lowest income to the person with the highest, we all have the right to spend our money as we see fit. We don't want a Robin Hood president!!
One final thought. We have so much crime today. People killing their familes, school killings, more rapes, robberies, etc. The media is full of many, many new crimes each day. The divorce rate is high, abortion is high, drug use is high. This is because the more we take God out of our lives the more amoral we become. There is no accounting for actions anymore. There is no fear of punishment. There is no respect for parents, teachers, police officers or anyone else in authority. You just can't get it through the heads of atheists that believing is not hurting anyone. It does just the opposite. Before they got their way and stopped all the Christmas Carols and manger scenes in public places, and the ten commandmants, and the pledge of allegiance, and children praying in school this country was a better place. Go to a main library and look up the charter for all fifty states and they all mention God, The Almighty, The Lord in the preamble. Then tell me that this country was not founded on Christianity. Also you could not hold public office in the original states UNLESS you believed in God. It is written in their charters.

sea

July 7, 2009 05:09 PM

GOD HELP OUR CHILDREN.
WE HAVE BEEN DOOMED FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS ADMINISTRATION. NOW ONE MORE NAIL HAS BEEN HAMMERED INTO THE COFFIN OF AMERICA.

sea

July 7, 2009 05:09 PM

GOD HELP OUR CHILDREN.
WE HAVE BEEN DOOMED FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS ADMINISTRATION. NOW ONE MORE NAIL HAS BEEN HAMMERED INTO THE COFFIN OF AMERICA.

Tony

July 7, 2009 05:24 PM

Sign the petition against the carbon bill

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/no-carbon-tax

Bill

July 8, 2009 12:35 PM

How is this going to effect the Trucking Industry? I understand there is a provision hidden in this bill to make Class 8 Trucks powered by Natural Gas not Diesel, not that I am against this, but the overall cost for the facilities to provide this and the ocst to trucking companies will be unheard of, and guess what, all of this will go back to the consumer, in the ost of clothes, computers, bread, and milk.

Jess

July 8, 2009 03:05 PM

I do wish I did know what all was in this bill. I've heard some very far out assertions on that point but have not found the documentation to back it up. Until I read it in entirety I can't say whether I'm for or against. I hear much protestation however, about energy bills going up. Over the last couple years my bills were already rising. What is new??? Rising bills have led me to seek out alternative fuel for my house. The result, change. Those who are strong and adaptable will survive and my children's air quality will be cleaner for it. Everyone acts as though this is a one issue issue. Global Warming. But does not polution in general hurt us, our air, our landscape, and our oceans, and all inhabitants of the earth without Global Warming? I've gone to cities where the air made me sick. Some Folks are just lazy and resist change by nature. They are without imagination to see all the business opportunities that will arise from this. Come on Folks, The first car was run on soy bean oil, going back to basics is not so scary.

Jim

July 8, 2009 04:02 PM

Although I'm not as informed as some of you, it is blanatly clear that this will only increase taxes. Whether you are supposedly for the environment like the liberals like to think they are the only ones or you are on the side of commonsense, no one can argue this is a tax hike, but I guess since obama is intent on bankrupting us he has to pay for it somehow.

Brandi

July 9, 2009 07:18 PM

I vote NO to Cap and Trade Bill.

Brandi

July 9, 2009 07:18 PM

I vote NO to Cap and Trade Bill.

Brien

July 10, 2009 03:08 PM

The Obama Regime including most of the House and Senate can't be bothered with the truth regarding our climate. When 15,000 scientists around the globe have called Global Warming "scare propaganda" and with more scientists every day recanting their support of this hoax, it's obvious it's not about climate change but about socialist's quest for power. This Global Warming madness must be stopped.

Autumn

July 13, 2009 02:11 PM

I vote no to the Caps and Trade Bill.It wont help anyone at all.The only thing that it does is to raise taxes and prices that barely anyone will be able to afford.Its ridiculous!!!My vote is no no no no no!!!!!!!!!

autumn

July 13, 2009 02:20 PM

i vote no to the Caps and Trade Bill

Paul

July 19, 2009 07:49 AM

The fact of the matter is, the complexities, of the Cap and Trade regulations, are ripe for abuse, and manipulation. Goldman Sachs apparently owns 10% of the Chicagpo Climate Exchange, and will receive commissions on every trade. it is beyond the abilities of the current regime,to forsee, the inevitable manipulation, to the detriment of the consumer. The fact is the consumer will end of paying the bill, as everything the consumer purchases depends on energy. I have been trying to absorb all the contingencies, its confusing, but I have no doubt, the consumer will pay in the end.

Denise B

July 20, 2009 08:31 PM

I really tried to read all of the post, but I must admit tht at the last I did skim across the text putting down the important highlets of each. I just wonder if that is what the politicians did when this bill came to a vote. One thing that caught my attention was the time frame in which this bill was posted and the time frame in which the amendments were posted. It dosen't take much to realize that we were not supposed to know when it was posted and we were not supposed to know what was in it, because it was posted when most of us were asleep. That in itself is totally wrong.

The follwoing are some observation that I gathered from this blog.
- It is time to wake up and take notice of what our elected officials are up to.
- It is time to vote them out and get new ones if they are so unconserned with what is best for the country.
- It is time to vote them out if they don't fulfill their responsibility to keep their constituiants informed and then in turn listen to what they have to say.
- It is time to stop depending on the government for every facet of our lives.
- It is time we all started taking notice of what is happening in Washington, start talking to our regional representative, congressmen and senators.
- It is time we let our voices be heard.
- It is time we stop blindly accepting what the news media puts out there for us to know. Do our own reserch, make sure we are getting the truth.
-It is time to stop believing that change for the sake of change is not necessarily a good thing.
- It is time for us to stop being dependent on foreign oil.
-It is time for us to be thinking of alternative methods of enegy. Mostly in this area you hear talk of bio-fuels, but no one is doing anything about it. You also hear talk of wind mills, but not all areas on the country have lots of wind unless it is due to bad weather. No one has mentioned geo-thermil.
- It is time to stop spending hand over fist for things that will only increase the taxes of those who can not afford to pay in the first place.
- It is time to take stock on the things that do work and concentrate on them to make them better and more productive.
- It is time to keep jobs here, not force business owners to close up shop and move the business to a foreign country.
-It is time to put civics back in school.
-It is time to put God back in our lives, our country and operate this country in the manner it was intended to be operated, for the good of its people.
- It is time to realize that the average American citizen does not have a voice any longer and the ones doing the talking for us are not wearing the same kind of shoes as we and do not understand things the same was as we do.
_It is time we realize that our country is being taken away from us bit by bit and we are sitting back with blank eyes while it happens.


Hannah

July 23, 2009 03:09 PM

our government is just money greedy. look another pointless bill passed and more money wasted. this is just another way for us all to be controlled. has anyone read Revelations in the Bible?! our government is making our world end FASTER!

Bri

July 24, 2009 01:05 PM

If this does become law, Don't blame the utility companys. Remember the Goverment forced this on them and they are just passing it along.

Suze

August 19, 2009 11:00 AM

Billions of our tax dollars will be spent and go into the pockets of special interests (Gore is one) without any change in carbon output. ALL consumer goods prices will increase and all utilities costs will increase. No guarantee this will halt global warming or create jobs. You must bring your home up to specific federal codes before you sell costing you thousands of dollars if you have an older home! No compensation to the taxpayer for all this rubbish. This is the worst bill ever to pass the halls of Congress and you must call your senators before this becomes law!!! I believe in global warming but this is a sham and will cost Americans jobs and even more taxes for little or no return in results!!

WE THE PPL

August 25, 2009 01:07 AM

You CANNOT get blood out of a turnip...WE'RE BROKE...& if they put us in fema camps or jails...THEY WILL BE PAYING FOR OUR F.O.O.D. & E.N.E.R.G.Y cuz we won't have a.n.y.T.H.I.N.G. whatever they do to US or AGAINST US,...EVEN lethal injections will cost THEM billions. However the globalist choose, it will NOT prosper THEM EITHER!!!. & WHERE IS ALL THESE CIVIL-suit ATTORNEYS that use to fight in the courts for the ppl...& we need our "out of work" Engineer grads. in this country to help us fuel our cars & houses on water. We need to have OUR OWN MEETINGS with a step-by-step guide on how "we the ppl" can do our OWN solar panels & steam mechanisms to do sun & wind energy....we can fix it our DAMN SELVES!!! LET'S SHOW THEM, WE DON'T NEED THEM!!!...LET'S GET OFF THEIR GRID, WE DON'T NEED THEM...TOGETHER WE STAND!!!

Pat

August 30, 2009 01:33 PM

Suze said:
August 19, 2009 11:00 AM
"Billions of our tax dollars will be spent and go into the pockets of special interests (Gore is one) without any change in carbon output. ALL consumer goods prices will increase and all utilities costs will increase. No guarantee this will halt global warming or create jobs. You must bring your home up to specific federal codes before you sell costing you thousands of dollars if you have an older home! No compensation to the taxpayer for all this rubbish. This is the worst bill ever to pass the halls of Congress and you must call your senators before this becomes law!!! I believe in global warming but this is a sham and will cost Americans jobs and even more taxes for little or no return in results!!"

You are right as only about 20% will go towards doing anything and probably the rest will go to people like Acorn, SIEU, Al Gore, and many other special interest groups. There is an even larger group of scientists that say global warming is not caused by humans and most of this is a hoax (but it sure gives these loons another way to rob the American people in the never ending quest to destroy our economy). We must all get ready for yet another fight and start sending letters and letting our senators know exactly where they will be the next time they run for office if they vote for this massive bill (is anything they do less than 1000 pages long)!

Pat

August 30, 2009 01:33 PM

Suze said:
August 19, 2009 11:00 AM
"Billions of our tax dollars will be spent and go into the pockets of special interests (Gore is one) without any change in carbon output. ALL consumer goods prices will increase and all utilities costs will increase. No guarantee this will halt global warming or create jobs. You must bring your home up to specific federal codes before you sell costing you thousands of dollars if you have an older home! No compensation to the taxpayer for all this rubbish. This is the worst bill ever to pass the halls of Congress and you must call your senators before this becomes law!!! I believe in global warming but this is a sham and will cost Americans jobs and even more taxes for little or no return in results!!"

You are right as only about 20% will go towards doing anything and probably the rest will go to people like Acorn, SIEU, Al Gore, and many other special interest groups. There is an even larger group of scientists that say global warming is not caused by humans and most of this is a hoax (but it sure gives these loons another way to rob the American people in the never ending quest to destroy our economy). We must all get ready for yet another fight and start sending letters and letting our senators know exactly where they will be the next time they run for office if they vote for this massive bill (is anything they do less than 1000 pages long)!

Wanda Leonard

September 16, 2009 10:43 AM

With all of the comments that surely said that we the people are not for the Cap & Trade, but it passed anyway. So why do we work so hard to put the people in the offices that they hold to do the good for the people, and they do not listen to us. But do what they think is good for the world, without listening to us all. They are going to tax us all to death. But remember they have the money and the little people do not. They care for none of us. Just what it does for the Moneypeople.

chris

September 17, 2009 04:44 PM

Our leader is completely lost. He doesn't know which way to turn. Whatever he does, will cost us and future generations dearly.

tom

September 19, 2009 03:02 PM

And once again, Congress is set out to design a race horse and will end up with a three legged camel, that no one can ride and and we can't afford to feed.

dale gains

September 20, 2009 03:25 AM

I work with machine shops, And I can only think of one out of about 35 I visit often that plan on being open and in this country after this takes effect. That is over 2000 jobs that I know of. But Hussien did get elected by popular vote, so I am sure he deserved the job. I mean he could not have been a crack-dealing, racist, communist could he? I read his book, just wish more people did.

Melinda S.

September 21, 2009 12:51 PM

THERE IS NO GLOBAL WARMING. IF WE CAUSED THIS CLIMATE CHANGE BY OUR GREEN HOUSE EMISSIONS....WHO THE HECK CAUSED THE ICE AGE??? THERE SURE WEREN'T CARBON EMISSIONS OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT BACK THEN.

Jake

September 22, 2009 11:43 PM

Regardless of whether or not humans are to blame for global warming, how can you argue FOR pollution? It exists. Everyone knows it exists. It is bad. Everyone knows it is bad. Let's stop it.

Doug

September 23, 2009 10:14 PM

I would have preferred a simple carbon tax, but this is second best.

Jesse

September 27, 2009 11:01 PM

Wow reading the comments section on this article is almost as bad as reading Glen Beck's bedside erotica. Apparently the people who commented here are all experts in this field. How else could they speak with such certanty concerning a cap and trade based apocolypse?

Jesse

September 27, 2009 11:01 PM

Wow reading the comments section on this article is almost as bad as reading Glen Beck's bedside erotica. Apparently the people who commented here are all experts in this field. How else could they speak with such certanty concerning a cap and trade based apocolypse?

annie get your gun

September 28, 2009 10:45 PM

We'll see how happy you moderate & low income Green, Obama-Knoba-Slobbin' nuts are when your utility bills skyrocket due to the electric companies passing the buck (tax increases) on to you, the consumer!!!! HAHAHAHAHA it's so funny to see you brain-washed kool-aid drinking left-wing lunatics suffer at the hands of your "annointed one" & still not wake up!!!!

BTW Obama is the 3rd Nostradamus Anti-Christ, (his full name in hebrew numerology adds up to approximatley 666 & Obama's zip code in Chicago is 60606!!! Also, in his speeches & campaign slogan "yes we can" is "Thank you Satan" when played backwards & in 1 speech when he said twice "Let me express, let me express" played backwards is "Serve Satan, serve Satan"!!!! Too much of coincidence to be just a coinky-dink if u ask me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMOpw3GY0Rk
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=AE924BE4CC5CBA01&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&v=V-TMKUea87E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daylkziIEYE

& there's more! I have never seen so many eery references to backards sppech in my whole life as there has been with president HUSSEIN Obama!

Also, watch this!!!!:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UORj053XoYY&feature=related

Ted

September 29, 2009 11:54 PM

The Obama administration has privately concluded that a cap and trade law would cost American taxpayers up to $200 billion a year, the equivalent of hiking personal income taxes by about 15 percent. Thats about $1,800 more a year for each family. Simply the largest tax increase ever.

Heather

October 1, 2009 09:42 AM

I know which Republicans voted yes and the one who didn't vote. I strongly urge all of you to write to them, email them, and/or call them to tell them what an idiot they are, and how they aren't getting reelcted for this. they are:
Michael Castle, DE
Mark Kirk, IL
Mary Bobo Mack, CA
Leonard Lance, NJ
Frank LoBiondo, NJ
Christopher Smith, NJ
John McHugh, NY
Dave Reichert, WA
(Nonvoter) John Sullivan, OK

Heather

October 1, 2009 09:42 AM

I know which Republicans voted yes and the one who didn't vote. I strongly urge all of you to write to them, email them, and/or call them to tell them what an idiot they are, and how they aren't getting re-elcted for this. they are:
Michael Castle, DE
Mark Kirk, IL
Mary Bobo Mack, CA
Leonard Lance, NJ
Frank LoBiondo, NJ
Christopher Smith, NJ
John McHugh, NY
Dave Reichert, WA
(Nonvoter) John Sullivan, OK

leah

October 8, 2009 12:33 PM

and WE putt hese idiots in office!!!

chris

October 15, 2009 10:07 AM

This must fall through.... Our country is is going to crumble if this goes through. I am in the marine industry and it will cause a many of people to lose there jobs. The man is running us in the ground.....

..

October 20, 2009 12:42 PM

this is just a tax that will b added to the air you and i breath, the food we eat, water we drink, its a huge scam, internatiol banks are the ones who made this bill, and are telling all governments to join this bill/treaty. Climate change is normal, its not a bad thing, climates are never stable, nor have they ever been. the same thing happend in the 70s and they made a big deal out of noting. this bill was made by bankers

Dennis Hobbs

October 24, 2009 06:40 AM

As one that worked in the Enviornmental field for 18 years, I find that provisions in this bill, like the issue of getting permits for individuals to be able to sell their homes is unbeliveable. I do not think this bill has been read and understood by those "people" in Washington. This is not an enviromental bill, it is a total invasion into your home. Wake up folks, if this bill passes, it will cost you dearly. To make our home built in 1979, meet min standards we will spend $31,000.00 if we want to be "allowed" to sell it.

Larry

November 1, 2009 08:56 PM

Tax all product produced by EX American companies at the port of entry. Make them realize that it is cheaper to produce these products at home

Emily

November 9, 2009 08:48 PM

So I've been doing a lot of research on this... Not too many people are for it, along with me. I'm personally looking at it from a agricultural perspective. I read above that somebody felt it was a win-win situation for America. Are you kidding me?! In the agriculture industry ALONE--the hardworkers we call farmers and ranchers will lose a MINIMUM of $8 BILLION by 2012. For my family's sake I'm afraid that this is going to kill the business that I've come to know and love.
I do know that need to take a little better care of our planet, but find something that won't kill our economy, for our agriculturalists and consumers.

Woolbe

November 13, 2009 10:14 AM

Beware congress...your greed and stupidity have started a ground swell of hate and discontent that will result in "We The People" having our say in 2010, not to mention 2012. I know all who have voted for the self-serving bills that are being passed and will vote against everyone who had any part in passing this junk. AS for Mr. Obama, he will be a one term president. As for Ms. Pelosi, your obnoxious pride in passing a health care bill that you never read will reap its rewards in upcoming elections. As the Great A. Lincoln said....you can fool some of the people........and so on.

Adam

November 25, 2009 03:01 PM

Why does the Obama administration and our new Congress have to be so extreme? This bill goes hand in hand with the climate treaty Obama is going to sign in the UN this December. It is just another attempt to crush U.S. sovereignty, and these actions are starting to slowly whiddle away our Constitutional rights. The Democrats are all about the environment and fairness, the Republicans about corporations and wealth. It is time we start concerning ourselves with our rights and let Americans be free to do what they want.

Barbie Rench

November 30, 2009 07:26 PM

And so "they" (Congress, Canada, the FDA, and the new president) agreed to take the carbon propellants out of asthma inhalers and outlaw it all together. That propellant is being replaced with others - ethanol being one! (It will dissolve fiber glass gas tanks LOL!)GREAT for lungs!

Actually, I am one of the asthmatics who is struggling to breathe when the meds I need are carried with poisons that are only adding to the problem. There are hundreds of us and some have died already.

There is a med I can take without the propellant but I am limited to staying near my breathing machine: so instead of being pretty "regular" with asthma under control, I am now becomming an a stay-at-home semi-invalid.

The irony is - the carbon propellant was inhaled - and almost 100% absorbed while patients held breath to keep the meds from escaping! So it never hurt a fly!

NO RESPONSE from FDA or Congress - other than something like just ask your doctor which of the new inhalers is best for YOU!

Thanks for listening.

Richard Voivedich

December 5, 2009 11:04 PM

The total violation of public trust I'm embarrassed to say started with the republican party and is being maintained by the democrats.The only way we as individual citizens of this great country can take back our government from the lobbyists is to insist on term limits.....

bernard

December 9, 2009 12:11 PM

The meeting of Copenhagen.
G65 ! G65 of 192 represented countries.
192 billionaires around a table.
15 days of training.
To learn has to swindle.
15 days to make NWO.

Eggmeal

December 17, 2009 10:06 PM

You guys are ridiculous. Denialists of global warming. What is wrong with you? This is a real problem. All of you guys see though is a black man as our president who is a democrat. If he was a republican, you guys wouldn't have voted for him anyway because he is brown. If you weren't a bunch of dumb hicks that get their talking points from Bill O'Reilly, maybe you would be able to see that this bill is a step in the right direction to fix the world. Although it may already be to late because we had a chode of a president for the previous eight years before Obama.

mallon

December 20, 2009 06:02 PM

No matter who or what is the cause of rising/falling tmmperatures, sea levels and other effects of climate change, we need to focus on solving the resultant problems...is it better to provide emergency relief to disaster victims or plan ahead and alleviate the future effects?...stop complaining and find a solution...

mf2447

December 31, 2009 11:54 AM

Here is the tax everyone has been waiting for, the air tax. If you breath, you will be taxed. I'm a green guy but this has nothing to do with saving the planet. This only controls what you and industry, has to pay. This b.s., is another attempt for the hole world to pay the biggist corruption cartel, in history. The small guy loses, they win. When you control the air, and make a tax, so you can live. We most assume, they don't care if you can breath, only that you can pay the tax. We must get out of the corrupt U.N., or the spin doctors will win, and we will be slaves!

Elroy Canard

January 7, 2010 03:56 AM

I have just come across these comments and have had my breath taken away by the attitude of most of the commentators. From unsubstantiated claims about thousands of scientists declaring that global warming isn't taking place (seen any comparative pictures of the arctic ice recently?), to claims that it's the fault of the Chinese as they are now the biggest greenhouse gas emitters (yes and there's a problem, but Chinese per capita emissions are a fraction of the per capita emissions in the US - still, along with Canada, the most profligate users, and wasters, of energy in the world).

There IS a problem and the US has been leading the depletion of its natural resources, not least oil, for decades now. That it should adopt some measures to reel those wasteful habits back in is, however painful, just bringing it back towards a realistic use of the world's resources.

Logically one could expect that, if we liberated millions of tons of carbon based fuel that had been stored below the earth's surface for millions of years (Creationists are not qualified to enter this debate as they don't recognize how oil forms) in a couple of hundred years, it would have an effect on the atmosphere. To many (see reference to the Arctic ice) things are already moving faster than we can understand - do we just carry on and hand over a world that could be on its way to irredeemable change for the worse to our children or do we try and do something, however imperfect, to see if we can help?

We have some people writing here who don't apparently want to hear or consider these things, which is a pretty sorry state of affairs.

Joe

January 7, 2010 06:07 PM

Global warming is a JOKE! The scientists that said it is real have come out and admitted that they made every thing up and more than 30,000 other scientists do not believe that it exists. The scientists that said it is real are idiots how can thay call themselves scientists if they dont even know that plants use CARBON DIOXIDE to live and their waste is OXYGEN! That is second grade science right there. United States of America get ready to become a third world country. Unless we can get people with brains in Washington.

DeWayne

January 8, 2010 12:40 PM

The fact is that Climate Change is an undisputed and proven reality. This being so, the Energy Barons acknowledge a 'Cap' is inevitable, so they loaded legislation to allow taxpayer support providing delay tactics 'Trade' that will ultimately mean profits while they find the cheapest or greatest propaganda to imply they are working for a cleaner and safer environment.
Clean-Coal is much the same as 'safe sex or being a little pregnant', and no doubt will used by these people, however the reality is that 'Clean Coal' remains one of the worst CO2 polluters. Next will be extending life of old Nuclear Plants and building many more, while the nuclear waste storage problem still exists, and they will not re-enrich spent-rods because it is 'cheaper' to mine raw material.

Jeff

January 11, 2010 02:24 PM

This bill is just a way for the government to make money. Global warming is not real. It is just a topic for the news media to talk about and a way to make more money. The earth goes through a constant cycle, a lot like the one we are going through right now. Some people need to get their facts straight.

Ken

January 13, 2010 02:03 AM

Global warming is by far the biggest government farce above all the other freedom snuffing farces contrived by our treasonous government. They have hijacked our economy,shoved a marxist health care bill down our throats which congress themselves are excempt,working very hard to get immigration reform passed and on and on they go. All of these programs will raise our taxes more than we can ever imagine, as congress invents new ways to tax the hell out of us, to our destruction.

They hatch up their plans to destroy America behind their closed doors. So much for transparency. We have a secret behind the scences kind of government that does not have our best interest at heart but only their own interest. They vote themselves pay raises,take kickbacks and bribes from lobbyist. Every member of congress are millionaires. And all the while we keep having our standard of living lowered. They ignore the will of the American people and are very smug about it.Their plan is to redistribute the wealth of America.

Unless millions of Americans protest and fight back these tyrants now, we can all kiss our freedoms goodbye for good. In that event, we will all be living in a nightmare hell hole!

Josh

January 17, 2010 06:08 PM

Whether global warming science is real or not is not the issue. However, if is false then it is a vast multinational conspiracy beyond the scope of any red threat from the cold war era. Let’s just say that putting CO2 into our atmosphere with no concern of any environmental impact is a bad thing. To be good stewards of our health and natural resources would not the cleanest form of energy available be advantageous to us. Wouldn't a reduction on our dependence on foreign entities, that don't like us in the first place, be a move in the right direction? Wouldn't any attempts to institute a shift in the way we produce energy create an emerging market? A cap and trade system would create an auxiliary market where investor and traders stand to make a killing. If you don't think that the cap and trade will stimulate the economy then you think that capitalist have forgotten how to make money. At any rate there needs to be an investment in our energy future. New technologies have to be embraced because that is the direction the consumers and the marketplace are moving. There is also bound to be a boon for nuclear technology which stands to make a killing since they have little to no carbon foot print. This legislation is a kick in industries pants to make the move in a more responsible, and independent future. I really don’t get the doom and gloom scenarios of hyper-inflation, astronomical taxes, and economic collapse that end in revolution if not Armageddon. Despite how stupid you may think your representatives in Washington are, they are crafty with an insatiable sense of self preservation. If conditions in this country are such that they may be blamed for Joe Public’s economic hard times they will not get re-elected. If taxes go through the roof on your representative’s watch then they will be looking for a new job next term. This is no secret to the politicians. So cheer up. This is good news. Sky isn’t falling and your children may be able to breathe easier in a cleaner greener future.

Jerick

January 23, 2010 03:53 PM

I don't know much about global warming claims and whether or not they are real. However, the pollution is doing worse things than melting or not melting things. It is making people sick. Our consumption of oil is making us dependent lapdogs to other countries, and is generally bad. We need to diversify our energy sources. Yeah the costs might be high but change and development is often costly but in the long run it will benefit the United States. We have the opportunity to be on the cutting edge of a new industry, that will make our air and lives healthier. I say this legislation is good definitely not perfect, but it certainly beats having our noses jammed up oil and big business asses. Now with that said, I will leave you to rip this post apart.

Hamish

February 11, 2010 09:27 PM

Clearly a lot of people don't understand the impact that the extra Greenhouse gases humans pump into the atmosphere have on the climate system

maybe skim read this if u are lacking in understanding:
Climate Change 2007 - Synthesis Report AR4 - An Assessment of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

If we don't change our ways now, countries like the Maldives and Tuvalu will cease to exist.

Read more, learn more, change the globe

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