New Threat to India-Australia Ties after Stabbing

Posted by: Bruce Einhorn on January 3, 2010

Just days after officials warned against growing anti-Australia sentiment in India comes news of the latest fatal attack on a young Indian in Australia. A 21-year-old Punjabi, Nitin Garg, was stabbed on Saturday night in a Melbourne park while on his way to work at a Hungry Jack’s fast-food restaurant. Police say there’s no evidence the killing was racially motivated, but that’s unlikely to reassure Indians angered by a series of attacks against students from India in the country last year.

The stabbing now threatens Australia’s relations with one of the world’s rising economic powers. Many Indians are convinced the attacks are signs of racism in a country that for decades in the 20th century had a White Australia policy designed to keep out Indians and other Asians. One reflection of the anger: India’s foreign minister, S.M. Krishna, issued a harsh statement yesterday demanding Canberra “take necessary action and not force India to look to other ways,” adding in most undiplomatic language that “we will not tolerate it any more.” It’s unclear what New Delhi can do to back up the foreign minister’s tough talk, but individual Indians seem to be responding on their own: According to a report by Australia’s Tourism Forecasting Committee, the number of Indian students studying Down Under is likely to fall 21%, or 4,000 students, this year because of the attacks and the media attention they generated.

Australia can’t afford strained relations with India. Aussie universities depend on recruiting Indians, who account for about 20% of international students in Australia. Australian companies need Indian customers, too. Thanks in large part to sales of local minerals and other resources to India and China, Australia managed to avoid falling into recession last year. Expect Australian officials to respond quickly to show Indians this latest attack is still just an isolated incident.

Reader Comments

C. H. Ng

January 4, 2010 12:46 AM

Racist attacks happen everywhere but if you are to look at the true picture, attacks by human beings on another human being of the same race is far too common. It's only the news and / or reports of a racist attack make it more conspicuous; just like an air crash which happens once in a blue moon but creates headlines more than the endless car accidents which are happening almost daily all over the world.

In another words, if you think Australia or any other country is not safe for you to study or visit, don't go there. Nobody is stopping you. But please don't get me wrong.... I am not condoning any racist attack and/or any other form of attack on another human being and /or living things except maybe pests.

Quack

January 4, 2010 12:56 AM


We should not worry about the money and stand up to this racist bullying by India.

Nobody even knows the race of the attacker, Indian enclave, could have been another Indian. then what?

To presume it is racist, is racist and we should not put up with it.

Ab

January 4, 2010 2:24 AM

I agree with Quack, there is a need to stop assuming that every attack on a person of one particular race is racially motivated. However, it does say something about the lack of security for the common man in the city...

Shaw

January 4, 2010 2:41 AM

Either Indians are in the wrong place at the wrong time or it's targeted attacks.

It's interesting that this happens only in Australia. There are large number of Indian students in other countries too, but we don't hear about so many attacks. I agree that racism exists everywhere, but this case is unique.

I still wonder why the drop in number is only 20%, and that shows Indian students are still desperate to leave the country and risk their safety while hoping for better lives.

It's really a pity, and I don't think anyone would seriously pay attention to threats from those in pitiable state.

And Oh, I'm an Indian myself, very much living in India, and I hope Indian readers don't brand me racist.

Get Real

January 4, 2010 2:45 AM

Let me preface my comment by condemning any and ALL attacks upon innocent ppl.

That said;

Not having all the facts about this incident, its hard to automatically attribute this fatal stabbing to 'racism'.

It also seems that India is the bully here based on the statement of India’s foreign minister, S.M. Krishna. What 'other ways' could he possibly have in mind? Not allowing Indians to travel to 'racist' Australia in the FIRST PLACE perhaps?

India needs a reality check; Despite its 1.1 BILLION ppl, India's economy is smaller than Canada's (which only has 31 million ppl). Hence, claims that 'Australia can’t afford strained relations with India' are absurd.

Would India allow Africans, South Americans, Chinese, Russians, etc enter India as immigrants in large numbers...completely changing the South Asian character of India? If not, then doesn't India have a 'South Asian India' policy?

What about the attacks on Christian minorities across India? What about the Hindu mobs that attacked Christians in Orissa not long ago, parading the nuns they had raped through town?

India's population of 1.1 BILLION is projected to rise to 1.8 BILLION by 2050 per the US Census, surpassing Chinas population by 2030. This on a land mass 1/3 the size of China. Thus, we can expect India to seek to export its excess population other lands, with inevitable cries of 'racism' when rebuffed.

Steve S

January 4, 2010 3:09 AM

Time might tell if this attack was racially motivated. Regardless, as an Aussie living in Melbourne, I can confirm that it's not all hype, there is a lot of racism here. This place disgusts me, I'm moving overseas shortly.

Husin O'Bama

January 4, 2010 3:27 AM

Racial profiling has become quite fashionable in many countries now.

Asian

January 4, 2010 4:24 AM

Aus is a RACIST COUNTRY,just look at the white man policy. I don't understand why Indians spend there hard earn money to these NAZI supporters. Just let them fix them itself first ,b4 they invite foreigner.OR go back to England where they come from ,and give the country to aboriginals.

Paul

January 4, 2010 4:29 AM

What a BS report. "Australia can't afford strained relations with India?" Shouldn't that read the other way around.

Australians aren't rushing to Indian Universities and it's largest trading partner is China who has enough demand to consume all the countries resources if allowed.

This is a classic example of tabloid journalism. Australia is absolutely full of immigrants, so why would an attack on ANYONE immediately be considered racist?

Australia is a civilized country of law abiding citizens, it's the Indians who have laws that allow unbelievably violent crimes like honor killings where they dowse their own daughters in petrol and set them alight!

Naresh Mani

January 4, 2010 4:44 AM

The Australian Government is trying its best to term this issue as individual attacks and not racially motivated. Its understandable, as the government cannot isolate rogue elements who are prone to attacks on Indians, racist or otherwise. So, what could it do?
a) Recognize this problem, and sensitize the locals and media about migrants from the world.
b)Provide unbiased and quick justice to the victims of such attacks. Also, if possible tightening security in area's prone to violence is a good start.
c) Introduce strict laws against any racial abuse (verbal or physical) and educate the citizens about ills of racism.
Bottomline- no country wants to termed racist. But Australia needs to walk the talk to avoid further allegations, than releasing press statements which are as convincing as Kanye West's apology to Taylor Swift.

sandeep

January 4, 2010 5:41 AM

it is just media who took the things more to make it interesting there is nothing recial i live in sydney.our indian stuidents are doing bad things.second thing is that in india also there is also so much this thing.first stop there then u can say another.one husband killed his wife in westmead no body sai9d anything.i have so many question in mine mind i m also student in sydent never found anything.

Richard

January 4, 2010 6:15 AM

I always thought Australian media was sensationalist - but India evidently does it better?
How many people are mugged in India - how many in Australia? Be good to see some statistics?
It's not a racist thing, it's frankly an Aussie distaste of caste culture... we are an egalitarian nation, in belief if not reality. All Indian students I've met seem to be brahmins, incredibly arrogant, religiously superstitious, so I'm not surprised they don't feel welcome.
We would like them still to study in Ausralia though, because our government needs the money.

Ven

January 4, 2010 6:20 AM

Mr Quack, i presume you must be a chinese....i wonder how you react if your own kind being victimised!!!!1

G Donald

January 4, 2010 7:11 AM

Best way for a cat to counter the attack from an elephant is to close her eyes.

Newbie

January 4, 2010 9:34 AM

Couldn't agree more with C.H.Ng. If Australia is unsafe for Indians, don't go there. At the individual level that's the most effective solutions. Let us leave the Government-to-government matters to the respective governments. Racism exists. Even US President Hussein Obama acknowledged it when his friend and Harvard professor was arrested for 'breaking into his own home'.

Yuva

January 4, 2010 10:33 AM

while some might have racial element to it, investigation should be done to see the pattern.. is it student working night shifts,et.. according to one of my mate in Australia-- she says its problem of drinking/alcohol. Australian ofcourse drinks alot and troubles people traveling later at night and more indian student happens to travel at night from part-time work.

lakshman Dalpadado

January 4, 2010 11:04 AM

India is far more technologically developed than Australia - India manufactures cars, planes, ships and has a well developed aerospace programme. I have absolutely no idea why Indian students got to Australia to study.

peter

January 4, 2010 11:12 AM

Quack and C.H. Ng,

Get your facts straight if you haven't done so. Records indicates surge on attack on Indian students for a year. In "ALL" incidences, attackers were local people. If same incidences occur on local person, police reacts in one way. When this kind of incidences occurs on foreigners in present case on Indian students, police's reaction is quite mild. Law doesn't work in same way for all the people in Australia.

Address this issue, look at the big picture with keeping your conscious alive and you will get the answers for the doubts you have.

C.H.Ng , Are you suggesting that media shouldn't cover this kind of news ?
And to your proposition “if you think Australia or any other country is not safe for you to study or visit, don't go there" people are not waiting for this kind of comments. They have already implemented it which is reflected by 20% drop in Australia’s Tourism Forecasting Committee forecast.
Just see your self spending 5 years in law less country and you will be commenting in the same way as me.


GOD bless all and let the peace prevail.

Observer

January 4, 2010 11:48 AM

Australians seem more offended at being called racists than the fact that people of a certain nationality are being victimized in gruesome ways with such shocking regularity.

They also seem to have a high tolerance for violent crime as long as they are not its victims - on australian news sites, I mostly saw denial, victim blaming and outright xenophobia from Australians.

The frequency and brutality of these attacks suggest police incompetence, weak laws and weaker enforcement - perhaps the perpetrators feel they can get away with it easily?

peter

January 4, 2010 11:49 AM

Title of the section at the end of article should be " SELECTED Reader Comments" and not "Reader Comments"

Fardream

January 4, 2010 1:06 PM

An Indian is attacked in Australia = racists in Australia
and
1/5 of INTERNATIONAL students, and some mineral sold to India... and Australia would not strain relation with Indians

We are now rushing to conclusions faster than ever.

David Smith

January 4, 2010 1:36 PM

I think the reaction is specifically in light of recent incidents that WERE racially motivated. Given Australia's history here, it is not surprising that the first reaction from India and Indians views this as a racially motivated attack.

Finally, as China has shown, money talks and provides the best leverage. Australia will not be inclined to do anything until the income from foreign students (which is the third largest source of foreign earnings) is threatened.

@Quack: Really? India as a racist bully? What planet do you live on?

Rahul

January 4, 2010 1:50 PM

Its clear that the Australian govt is not serious about stopping these racist attacks. If as many Chinese students had been hurt PRC would have the Aus govt by the b.lls.
Time to shut Australian businesses in India. Ban Fosters and all sundry Australian businesses lets see how they get on denied doing business one of the largest emerging markets. Time for some arm twisting.

humm

January 4, 2010 5:14 PM

Put cameras and lights will help , if still does not reduce these crimes carry side arm.

Raj

January 4, 2010 5:52 PM

Racist attack happens everywhere - agreed, but Australia is the only country where Indian students are getting beaten up and murdered in recent year, months and days. This incident is giving another clear view of Australian Racist act on Indian Students. So, this is just not another incident at Melbourne Park.

I am sure there will be no “necessary action” by Indian Govt. So, Indian Students - don’t count on Indian Politician to make life better in Australia. But choose another country – with world class Universities and great life style for all – USA should be the choice.
Say “NO” to Australian universities and “No more” to Aussies.

Very Sorry but not Surprised

January 4, 2010 6:39 PM

"Series of attacks against students from India".

WAIT! WAIT!
A 21-year-old Punjabi, Nitin Garg, was stabbed on Saturday night in a Melbourne park while "on his way to WORK at a Hungry Jack’s fast-food restaurant".
WORK? Wait I though he was a student?
So the problem is not that he is a Student, maybe the problem is that he is working illegally and taking a job from a Australian.
As for who is the RACIST, I am sure being this is Australian there are many who are very Racist, but so are the Indians, ever seen anyone of another race working in an Indian place of work, Indian hire 100% Indians.

As for "Police say there’s no evidence the killing was racially motivated"

How would anyone know what was the motive? When was the last time you heard that the police said it was racially motivated?

Its ALL very Shameful! But sorry to say that it never stop until you STOP replacing native workers with cheap cheap labor from India.

Barksy

January 4, 2010 8:34 PM

Quack, people like you are the real reason for racism in Australia. From your statement it is clear you have no knowledge of how international relations work.

If the Indians impose restrictions on Australia the effect on the Australian economy will be huge.

All the racist minority in Australia should be isolated and severe punishment given to those attack and kill innocent people because of their race, religion or colour.

If American students were attacked in Australia I am sure all the white folks will be quick to react but when it comes to poor Indian students everyone is trying to justify it.

Indians should not tolerate this anymore and put Australia on their list of countries banned for travel and business until the Australian government resolve this and bring the criminals and racist to justice

Newbie

January 4, 2010 8:58 PM

A few months back a Harvard professor was 'arrested' for 'breaking into his own house'. The police action leading to the arrest was racially motivated. This has been acknowledged by US President Hussein Obama. If a Harvard professor (who also happens to be known to the President) can face racism, then God save the lesser mortals.

Racism exists in Australia. Period. If Australia is not safe for Indians, don't go there.

JHunter

January 4, 2010 10:25 PM

One is reminded of the serial-killer in that created a racist storm in the southern USA.The victims were all small black children...and the black community ranted and raved about the "racist murders". Oops! It turned out that the serial killer was BLACK!

John

January 4, 2010 10:39 PM

Quack is a quack. Apparently an Indian getting stabbed to death in Australia makes India a racist bully (which in itself a racist statement... good one Quack! I'm guessing critical reasoning skills aren't required to get through Australia's secondary schools). Australia needs to crack down on its racist behaviour and join the 20th century. I think it'll take another 20 years of social change before it can join the 21st century.

Singh

January 4, 2010 11:31 PM

I really pitty Indians who consider moving outside India and end up in this situation. Our forefathers moved outside cause of poverty. But things have changes and India is the next big thing. These Indians pay thousands to agents/Uni's to settle abroad and end up being 2nd/3rd grade citizens.India has all the resources and i reckon all Indians should invest within India and can afford the best lifestyle.

I think the situation would be in India if western come and take up all the jobs.

I think its a global market and we should treat everyone equal.

nikhil

January 4, 2010 11:32 PM

it might well be that other factors are involved. but the refusal of the australian government to even consider that australia- which has fortunately or unfortunately had a relatively isolated history-has trouble with racial issues, reveals the government's immaturity.

Hassan

January 5, 2010 12:18 AM

As the nunmber of Asians whether Indians or Chinese increases so will racism amongst immigrant groups against each other. Iranians and Lebonese hate Indians and Pakistanis. Whites hate all non whites. So it is a complicated situation which should be handled carefully.

Walk it

January 5, 2010 12:30 AM

So typical of the Indian government to talk big. Now please walk the talk.

C. H. Ng

January 5, 2010 7:49 AM

@ Peter

Not only the law doesn't worked the same for all people in Australia, it's the same here in my country and I believe, in many other countries as well. We do have many kinds of racist attacks here too but mostly in a form of "attack & rob" by the local race on other fellow minority race. Everday we can read about such attacks in our daily newspapers that it became too common. And our police force is doing nothing much about it.

Thus you can safely assumed I have already spend not 5 years but decades in this "lawless" society and therefore I am sorry to say such report of a racist attack in Australia or anywhere is nothing sensational to me. Nevertheless I am not implying that the media shouldn't report such incidence but there is no need to sensationalise it. I believe there is always 2 sides of the story behind the issue like why is it that mostly Indian students are targetted & not other races? There are many other nationalities studying in Australia as well. And since such thing happened more often in Australia, they should consider going to other countries to study where they can feel more secured, like Canada or Singapore.

mukundan

January 5, 2010 9:13 AM

@very sorry but not surprised.
you need to get your reading comprehension skills in order before start mouthing off. the article does not claim that he was a student, it says it's a continuation of the series of attacks that happened to students last year. don't you get it?. so what if the guy was working, can't students be working after school to get some income. duh. i have been following this issue over the past year. people say the students are in the wrong place at the wrong time. really! since when travelling in trains at 10.30PM or 11Pm being at the wrong place at the wrong time. many attacks have happened in train stations. don't tell me people should not be travelling. I thought Australia was a free country people can do what they want. so you are telling me people can't even walk on streets late night.
@Richard.
so aussies don't like caste culture so they take it upon themselves to kill and bash indians. really! that is the very definition of lawlessness and wild wild west syndrome. i guess in your book since australia mistreats its native aborigine population, it's ok if aussies travelling overseas get beaten or killed because the people don't like how arrogant aussies behave.
your post is full of garbage.

MS

January 5, 2010 9:22 AM

@walk it,
It's a shame that aussie government can't to bleep to control the series of attacks that Indian government has to talk big. Indian government can easily stop students from going to Australia by putting out an alert, much like western countries do to travel in south asia. Australia needs India more than India needs Australia. Australia has done jack bleep anyways in terms of international relations with India. It's not like Indian exporters are dependant upon aussie consumers. so India can give a rat's rear end to Australia.

The_Observer

January 5, 2010 11:14 AM

Accept for isolated cases of racial attacks the real problem in Australia is that there has been a rise in hooliganism amongst youngsters over the last ten years. Drunkenness is encouraged by late night bar closings. Also recent immigrants from certain parts of the world have been in the news with clashes with locals. They have tribal mentalities and their young men roam in gangs. Lacking job opportunities because of a lack of English and qualifications they turn to crime.
Many of these local and immigrant youngsters (mostly male) are now young adults and creating even more havoc as they think they can get away with it. Throw in an inadequate police presence in the major cities and you have trouble. This has is even affecting the inner suburbs where there are lots of young people. It is not only immigrants have been attacked but many locals as well. You can read in any of the Australian newspapers. The low police presence in cities compared to London or New York. Many years ago I use to consider that a plus point as it indicated the relatively low crime rate that Australia had.

Kerryn Rawzoo Yaari

January 5, 2010 12:49 PM

Whats this fuss man! Everyone loves Aussie pin-up girls. Indians are get along with aussie girls. Indians are well-educated and have a lot to spend. Its just some drunken brawl or some jealous fight among men that led to such a stray incident. whats the big deal? Such incidents happen even in India, but no one cares, its just a part of life. Thats it! Why do media highlight such things at all, we all fail to understand ;-). Girls want to have fun, thats all.

Praful R Shah

January 5, 2010 2:55 PM

The comments from readers view shows racism. The best way to tackle problem is stop going to Australia. They will get message. Marginalized relation with Australia.

@Singh,Newbie,lakshman Dalpadado

January 5, 2010 9:03 PM

Yes, Australia is NOT safe for Indians, so don't go there! Return to your Hindu wonderland. Australia wouldn't lose anything without you.

Slip

January 6, 2010 3:39 AM

What a lot of hype!
Are Australians racist? Of course.
Are Indians racist? Of course they are!
Does Australia provide legal protection against racism? Of course.
Does India?
It might be more pertinent to ask why only Indians are "racist targets"?
There are more Chinese and African students, who have no complaint. Maybe something to do with Indians "fitting in" with a tolerant culture?

shivesh

January 6, 2010 7:29 AM

I dont hear beating of students of a particular community with such regularity in any other country and if it is happening in Australia then there are reasons to worry. However i suspect if anything is going to happen on ground apart from diplomatic statements and media hoopla. If there are racist feelings in australia they are not going to go overnight how loud you keep shouting that. If this trend continues i dont think any student in india will like to go Australia..there are many other alternatives for studying.

aust. Melbourne

January 6, 2010 4:03 PM

off topic anecdotally I've heard of a lot of melbourne people that are angry because indian students are flooding the rental property market here.there is now 1 percent vacancy rate in inner suburbs. demand has pushed up property prices by 20 percent .hence alot of resentment.. No wonder there is tension..
n.b indian students are target by druggies/thugs because they tend to be very frail looking.if I was indian student i'd join a gym.

Aust.melbourne

January 6, 2010 5:10 PM

the bogan violence is awful,terrible.

a separate issue is there's resentment brewing in melbourne b/c new indian students approx
200,000 of them, are often taking,accepting unskilled cash jobs and undercutting accepted wages, just look on gumtree .One indian girl replied to my ad & offered me aus 5 dollars an hour to clean my house!(the girl I chose I gave aus 18 an hour). Off topic ,our family welfare& handout system attracts lots of immigrants .people don't move to Aust. for our refined culture put it that way.Myself I'm moving to france next year.,,im Fortunate. .

C. H. Ng

January 6, 2010 9:23 PM

@Peter -- Apparently my first response to your comment was not posted by BW & so I am responding with another one.

With reference to the reported racist attack in Australia on an Indian student, I always believe there are 2 sides of a story behind the reason or reasons for the numerous unwarranted attack cases in Australia or in any other country. Before you or any other reader start assuming that I am condoning such senseless attack on another fellow human being, I can 100% certified that I am no barbarian.

The basis point to my argument or reasoning is that of so many different nationalities studying in Australia, why only the Indian students are targetted? Is it because Aussie guys don't like see Indian faces? Definitely not so as I think there is far more deeper reason than that. Could it be because of their social behavior or altitude the Indian students are conducting where the locals find it to be disgusting & unacceptable?

In my country, we have this "joke" circulating among us locals which though may sound discriminating to many foreigners, it has some basic truths in it as there are many cases of such thing happening here. It goes like something like this:-

Employ Indonesian maids, money goes missing in the house
Employ Vietnamese workers, many dogs start disappearing in public
Employ Bangladeshi guys, Malay families have to be careful lest their wives or daughters go missing
Allow mainland Chinese ladies in the country, many husbands gone missing leaving behind broken homes

Before many readers here start expressing outrage at the "joke" stated above, I wish to reiterate there are many instances of such things happening in my country but at the same time I admit we locals are not all angels either. That's why I said there is always two sides of a story behind every issue.

Australians go to Hell

January 7, 2010 12:41 AM

Man everyone in the world knows australians are arrogant bastards.Then why working or studying in Australia ? Stop visitng their country. Their government is one of the biggest racist in this world.
Killing indians is a passion and thrilling experience for them. It shows they are psychotic. They dont have any culture. Absolutely waste fellows. Hell is the best place for them.

Think about it.

January 7, 2010 12:55 AM

India has 41,000 murders a year. Seems rather more dangerous there, I'd say.

The guy was walking through a dark park at night. He could just as easily have been mistaken for an Aboriginal as an Indian.

I wonder how many foreigners get killed in India?

Rationalism_4_ever

January 7, 2010 5:31 AM

Here are some reality checks for both the Indians and Aussies here:
1: Are Aussie univs the best in the world? NO. Period. Not by a long shot. The best of the Indian talent ends up in top Grad schools in US and to some extent in Canada (UToronto, McGill etc)and of course, Europe, particularly EPFL and ETH.
2:The land of oz attracts the low-end of the Indian student populace. One look at grad school websites of MIT, Stan,Berk, Caltech, CMU, Cornell, UT-Austin,UIUC, Harvard, U Mich etc clearly reveal that Indian professors and students dominate the landscape hogging up a significant chunk of funding and scholarships. On the other hand, in Oz, most Indian students pay their way through school in hope of getting an aussie job post graduation. Well, embarrassing for India but true. Top Indian grad schools such as IITs and IIMs (which are certainly BETTER and far more SELECTIVE than any of the aussie schools) cater to like ~1% of the student pool. So this dimwitted low end student pool that washes up on australian shores is not of any great quality. That said, the Aussies need their money and hence, it cannot be acceptable that you just want their moolah but are not going to provide them with a good quality of education and life in general.
The solution??
Indian Govt must allow Indian students to apply for Oz VISA if and only if the student has procured complete funding and if and only if the Aussie school is ranked in at least top 200 in the world, which leaves like 3 or may be 4 options in the univ list, and if the outgoing student has a good acad track record.. So good students mixed with reputed well funded environs is always a good recipe for success...any deviation from this paradigm is just asking for trouble..

Taishan

January 7, 2010 3:03 PM

In the bigger picture and for the long term, India needs Australia as much as Australia needs India. Australia is a nation of 22 million on nearly three million sq miles. So when the Auzzies speak of the "outback", there really is quite an outback. India, on the other hand, is 1.2 billion people sitting on only a little over one million sq miles. The population density of India works out to be over 120 times higher than Austrlia. Like it or not, countries like Australia, Russia, Canada, Brazil and the Middle East, etc. will be the world's net exporter of natural resources. High density countries like India, Germany, France, UK, China, Japan, etc., will be the world's net importers of natural resources. And both sets of countries will need each other to prosper.

holeinmany

January 8, 2010 2:11 AM

Australians are not alone - Quite a lot of Singaporeans (including Singaporeans of Indian origin)are fed up with the Indian nationals in Singapore.

For good reason too. They bring their caste system into Singapore along with other characteristics that does not endear them to other cultures.

They (northern Indians) demand their Hindi language be taught in school when the national languages are Malay, Mandarin, English and Tamil, the latter being southern Indian (the very people the northerner Indians look down on.

In short, they bring their social structure with them.

Mawanyi

January 8, 2010 5:37 AM

I'm really enjoying this.
Watching the ignorant in battle.
Ask the thousands of Indian students not yet murdered if they like Australia? Or ask families of the the two or three victims of crime?
Indians are so gullible.

Veekay

January 8, 2010 6:26 AM

@ GET REAL

"Would India allow Africans, South Americans, Chinese, Russians, etc enter India as immigrants in large numbers...completely changing the South Asian character of India? If not, then doesn't India have a 'South Asian India' policy?"

>>>>> Mate looks like you don't know history of India. Millions have migrated to India over centuries and centuries.. Muslims, Mughals, Jews, Greeks, Persians, Christians and so on..Some came with love and same came and butchered peace loving Hindus. But they all were absorbed in the culture which is unique, very unique. and thats what makes current India. India celebrates most of the important festivals of all religions of the world. and I mean celebration, Not like here in Australia that people don't even know anything beside their boundaries.Get some facts, study about other countries history and geography policy as well.

Sarjeet

January 9, 2010 3:34 PM

>India needs a reality check; Despite its 1.1 BILLION ppl, India's economy is smaller than Canada's (which only has 31 million ppl).

Exactly. If Indians did not follow Gandhi and Budhdha crap of non-violence and took over resources by attacking continents like Canada and Australia, Indian economy would be much bigger today just by exporting raw material. Indians are weak so they get attacked. It's law of nature. Nothing good or bad about it.

C. H. Ng

January 12, 2010 12:02 AM

More On The Issue On The Racist Attack -

An attack by one race on another race is deemed as a racist attack. But what if we will to live in a country where it only consists of a single race (if there is such a place on earth), will such misdeeds NEVER exist? Of coz the answer is "NO" as such thing will happen everywhere.

The reason is that we human beings be human being also have this natural instinct which is nothing lesser than that of an animal -- an action which can caused an unprovoked attack on another person, maybe as a perceived form of his or her superiority over the victim.

Luckily most of us still have the rational thinking while the small minority tend to act on their misguided action which is akin to that of an animal kingdom. Therefore an attack is still an attack, nothing racist about it... if you really want to think about it.

Sarjeet

January 13, 2010 9:08 PM

Weak will always be attacked. This is the law of nature. Especially mentally weak. Indians worship Gandhi and Budhdha. Europeans worship Alexander the great who killed millions and looted as far as he could. This created a killer instinct in white race. They went ahead and conquered Australia, Americas and in fact all over the world. Indians went to other continents and spread Buddhism. In Australia they killed all natives and took over vast resources. Now they sit on their ass and reap huge rewards as Chinese and Indians ask permission to mine some raw material while paying huge sums. DO you guys see the advantages of the killer instinct ? Violence need to be taught all over India. Martial art and military training should be compulsory for every man, women and child. Warriors should idealized. Not Gandhi Budhdha. Gandhi Buddha are good if you want Nirvana. If you want material wealth then KILLER instinct is needed. People want to see lions not deers. People want to look up to a killer not Gandhi. Gandhi was never given a Nobel prize. Yaser Arafat got one. This shows the unconscious of the Europeans in action. Learn from Australians. First kill all natives, take over resources and then and only THEN start flashing bible. Not before.

Henry L.

January 14, 2010 2:09 AM

@Sarjeet. what you've said is sad but true.

C. H. Ng

January 14, 2010 2:23 AM

@Sarjeet

Though you may be right in a sense that weaklings are most likely to be taken advantage of, I do not agreed with you on the use of violence; because violence will only begets violence. Remember the saying....."live by the gun, die by the gun".

As for your recall of history, I don't think you got it right. Alexander the Great was a Macedonian king but look at where the nation is now -- nowhere. So is Mongolia whose her most famous son, Genghis Khan, once conquered & ruled an empire which stretched from Korea on the east to as far as Poland on the west. We also got the Ottoman Empire, a vast Tukish sultanate during 1299 to 1922. These are just some of the examples. May I ask how influential or great these countries are now at the moment? Nowhere, right? Remember empires come & go; nothing last forever.

Mahatma Gandhi advocated the concept of non-violence in seeking independence of his country India from the British. Though he might had not won any Nobel prize for his effort, he is forever remembered & respected not only by all Indians but the rest of the people as well. Please don't shame him & your fellow people with your call for violence.

@C. H. Ng

January 14, 2010 6:01 AM

You are one lonely, bored, talkative Malaysian Chinese. That is the only way to explain why you keep talking here about things not related to you at all. The Indians and the Australians here doesn't really care that much what you are saying.

Henry L.

January 17, 2010 4:52 PM

@Sarjeet. You are so right. It's the law of nature and that of human history. The strong beats up on the weak and set the rules at the same time. You want to get respect, you must be strong otherwise, you are just laughed at.

C. H. Ng

January 18, 2010 1:06 AM

@ Sarjeet & Henry L

Though I may agreed with your views on the law of nature where the strongest can do whatever they want & dictate all rules, you forgot something.....

As in my previous comment to Sarjeet but which the editor in BW refused to print it, I said empires come & go. To make it short, no regime/nation will remain strong forever. Just like in the case of USA, the years of spending foolishly on borrowed money & fighting countless & at times meaningless wars on too many fronts are slowly but surely eroding the mighty nation. It will be a matter of time when she will be another passing history.

No doubt be strong is a good point & serves as a good deterrent to any would be enemy. Just like the Shaolin monks who used to practised kungfu but they only used the skills to make themselves stay healthy & protect against robbers; not to use it to oppress the weaks.

Mona

January 18, 2010 7:05 AM

This Drama-mama bollywood style is fascinating,,,only now its against the backdrop of a Crocodile Dundee homeland.

They should have a good look at their own backyard first before flapping their hands up in the air, shaking/nodding their heads yet again and screaming racism. The Indians looked down among themselves all the time-with their caste system-so its very hypocritical for them to judge and blame others. Perhaps, they should learn to respect their own people first before expecting/demanding others for respect. Or to put it simply-Learn to love your own kind first.

Please C H Ng, dont propose to ship them to singapore..Too many of them now and creating as many social issues at hand already. They sometimes forget that Australia is Not India. And seriously, with all due respect, nobody is stopping them to go back to their Hindu Wonderland. By all means, go..

Jay

January 20, 2010 5:23 AM

Now that even the Victorian Police chief and the former Army chief of Australia have admitted that the killing and assaults were racist lets focus on the causes. Australia is an unsafe country for Asians whether they be Indian, Filipino, Chinese or anybody else. Australian universities spend a lot of advertizing dollars in trying to attract students to a country that refuses to reform itself. Australia needs Asia and it needs India even more badly for strategic reasons. Aussies need to take a hard look at their long term future.

anti-Mona

January 21, 2010 5:33 PM

To Mona:
So is the aussi-way (we-are-not-racist-but-we-like-to-kill-and-murder-people-and-have-done-it-for-a-very-long-time), isnt it?

I must say I find it quite adorable to find you passing judgement on others, with yourself being the descendent of psychopaths. That is inheritable, and explains some of your traits. You're talking about the Indian cast system, well then, how is the social status for the native Australians (the aubergins)? But by all means, a man is killed here, and I guess you find that enjoyable.

Well, you guys was shipped to Australia, so I guess you're not the right one to speak, are you? And if you have problems with immigration, why don't you go back to the British Wonderland? Well, I guess it was a reason why the throw you ancestors ass out in the first place.

Fong

January 22, 2010 3:41 AM

To the one who addressed to @C. H. Ng:

Yes you are right; he talked too much on the subject which does not concerned him. But as a Chinese myself, I wanted to ask why you Indians and Westerners are also in the blog commenting when the subject is on China or the Chinese people? Does it concerned you people either? Please stop your double standard here!

@Anti-Mona

March 17, 2010 10:17 AM

@Anti-Mona
Maybe you should learn more of Australian history (even the name of the natives for that matter). A native Australian is an Aboriginal. Why are you even referring to all Australians as the same people that were shiped here roughly 200 years ago from britian, choosing to discriminate against us as white convicts. You are completly ignoring the large diversity of people that migrated here in the later years. Not to mention trying to label us with something that happened roughly 200years ago, with saying that, it is the same as labeling Germany as a Nazi country. You should get a news flash and see that its 2010 and not the 1800's.

You wouldn't go to somewhere like Iran and make disrespectful comments on their clothing would you? Why go somewhere if you can't recognise their way of life and respect their ways. No culture is the same. If your not prepared to keep a open mind when going into a different country with a completely different culture, maybe it isn't something you should be doing.

Australia is a great country, come here with a open mind and be willing to embrace our way of life with open arms and you will have a great time I assure you.

Ciriaco Silveira

August 11, 2010 5:40 PM

Australia is a racist country. A dozen or little more Indians were killed or molested by some white Australians and yet police was not able or did not have enough will to handle all the cases properly.

A country whose police cannot handle killings or molestation based on racist, religious, caste or cultural hatred should deserve oprobieum from all civilized countries and even economic boycot as some Indians sugest. This should be proportional to the numbers of victims and victimizers involved.

This rule should be applied to all the countries in the world, except to INDIA, or least to the Hindus of upper caste.


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