China-India Tensions Still Strong at Meeting with Russia

Posted by: Dexter Roberts on October 28, 2009

Just three days after a not-so-cordial meeting between Chinese premier Wen Jiabao and Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh in Hua Hin, Thailand, the foreign ministers of the two countries, Yang Jiechi and S.M. Krishna—joined by Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov—met yesterday in Bangalore, India. It was the ninth such trilateral meeting held by the countries.

As expected, the meeting ended with a joint communiqué touting opportunities for cooperation between the three countries, including fighting terrorism, narcotics trafficking, and combating climate change. The foreign ministers stressed their mutual interest in seeing a lessening of tensions in Afghanistan. And pointing out that their nations account for “20 percent of the total global landmass and represent 39 percent of the global population,” the communiqué stressed they should play “a significant role in world affairs.”

The three countries stated their desire to see trade and business ties strengthened, stressing too their complementary interests when it comes to energy. “Russia is a dominant supplier of oil and gas; India and China are energy deficit, but significant suppliers of manufactured products and services. Trilateral relations can be further reinforced by establishing mutually advantageous relations in the energy sector,” the communiqué stated. China of course, has been actively seeking oil and gas deals around the world, and this year has signed or is mulling over deals worth more than $15 billion.

But despite all the talk of cooperation as well as fast-growing business and trade, the Sino-Indian relationship is facing serious frictions of course. Tensions have flared between both countries’ militaries along their disputed 2,175 mile-long border, with both sides alleging more frequent troop incursions in recent weeks. And a planned visit by the Dalai Lama to the region of Arunachal Pradesh (controlled by India but claimed by China) has seriously angered Beijing. China already was upset when the Indian prime minister recently visited the disputed region—a move seen as deliberately provocative by Beijing.

Now the Indian government’s decision to allow the Dalai Lama to visit that same border region (which China considers an Indian-occupied piece of it’s own Tibetan Autonomous Region) has added flames to the fire. China of course already deeply resents the fact that the top Tibetan leader, and several hundred thousand exiled Tibetans, are allowed to reside in India. Those frictions were on display for the world yesterday too: even as the foreign ministers were meeting, outside the venue at least 14 Tibetan students were arrested for protesting.

Reader Comments

Lets see if their is truly freedom of opinion by you white christian devils

October 28, 2009 10:34 AM

CHINA should destroy india. Some people in india fantasize themselves as being on the same level as CHINA. We all know that they will NEVER be CHINA's equal, because they are simply not as good as us. Like I said: CHINA should take care of india for onve and for all.

sriram srirangam

October 28, 2009 11:54 AM

Brahmaputra river project by China, Chinese assistance to power projects in POK are the other current issues.

DanTe

October 28, 2009 12:27 PM

Ah.. Funny. Slime calling others "Devils", while Slime is advocating murder/destruction. Cute.

And also cute, Slime is complaining about freedom of opinion here. When we all know that Beijing puts pressure on the China bureau of BusinessWeek to delete truthful comments ridiculing their oppression of the Chinese.

DJC

October 28, 2009 12:30 PM

The US Economy is on its way to shrinking to a GDP of "zero" fighting stupid wars in the Middle East, interfering in every other nation's internal affairs, and garrisoning the entire planet with military bases. The Pentagon recently designated the Chinese as the primary strategic threat to US hegemony that justifies another round of increased deficit spending financed by the Chinese. If not for bombing the Arabs, the Chinese would be the primary target of the US military containment strategy.

Anon

October 28, 2009 12:40 PM

Wow! I am surprised that businessweek allows hate comments like the above to be posted where somebody thinks india ought to be destroyed. Is this a hate forum? Or an objective outlet for publishing actual news and commentaries?

peacefull

October 28, 2009 1:10 PM

Let'see if.thier ....is not Chinese!
he/she is sinister!

peacefullearth

October 28, 2009 1:13 PM

To Lets see... You are not chinese. just sinister!

Jerms

October 28, 2009 1:28 PM

Border conflicts with China are only going to increase in the coming years. With a large population and a growing economy there's going to be a natural "manifest destiny" civil unrest. I won't be surprised when they start claiming South America as ancient Chinese property due to it all being connected in a state called "Pangaea".

RE: "Lets see blah blah blah White Devils"
It's freedom of speech, and that doesn't guarantee you a voice on someone else's property; e.g. a web site.

Raj

October 28, 2009 1:46 PM

"China should destroy india"...huh.. Sweet dreams...

J. Wilpot

October 28, 2009 2:05 PM

WORLD WAR 3!!!!!!

tiddle

October 28, 2009 2:06 PM

What are the self-interests that allow these developing countries to cooperate? They, China and India in particular, both compete and overlap in pretty much the same space (manufacturing in China and IT in India, but they are all export driven revenue dollars). They would not have second thoughts to step over each other's body in order to compete on equal terms with the West. All three countries are hard-nosed bully, if they are allowed to have their way. That's why, for all the talk that China tries to drump up in support of a common currency in Asia, almost all of its Asian neighbors want United States to be at the negotiating table, because China won't give a damn about any dead bodies (or neighboring countries) at its feet. The same is true for India and Russia.

Baron J. Wilpot

October 28, 2009 2:10 PM

WORLD WAR 3!!!!! YEAAAAAA!!!!

asit

October 28, 2009 2:12 PM

The Indian PM visited Arunachal Pradesh because there were elections held there recently. It wasn't done to provoke China. There are more important things Mr Singh, the Indian PM has on his mind compared fingering China.

Ram

October 28, 2009 2:16 PM

CHINA can't even touch India....Because INDIA already a Super-Power in more advanced Military technologies than China.....

It's fair to say CHINA lagging behind many military hardware and especially software... but India has more advanced supplied by western nations like USA and France.

Dick Leung

October 28, 2009 2:18 PM

India and China should never go to war.
Co-Operation is a win-win situation for both.
Both India and China are deveoloping countries, there are many issues they should stand together in the world stage.Hot heads on both side would do more harm than good to both countries.

Dick Leung

October 28, 2009 2:18 PM

India and China should never go to war.
Co-Operation is a win-win situation for both.
Both India and China are deveoloping countries, there are many issues they should stand together in the world stage.Hot heads on both side would do more harm than good to both countries.

Mohan

October 28, 2009 3:08 PM

China's case is like the story of Emperor's (Transparent) New Cloth!!! Why on the earth should China be not destroyed??? Why does Chinese think they are more than Indians or for that matter anyone else? Where was its greatness all these years? Without having the guts to fully convert their currency and fixing at much lower price they have huge $ reserve!!! Who gave it the authority to claim all countries/regions based on flimsy history? How come TIBET has to be invaded again in 1950s if it once belonged to Middle kingdom? Why shouldnot Japan claim all of China as Japan ruling China is more recent than Middle Kingdom ruling TIBET? No country can be perfect, China is the only country which masks all its bad things from world and pretends/fools its own citizens/world as it is only roses in China!!! The most pathetic country which puts curtains on its own citizens and prohibits them to come out and watch its own 60th year celebration!!! The only people in China who really matter are the one who could make to 60th year celebrations...the rest of the people are fools to believe their own country only in television!!! like zoo animals see humans roaming free outside their cages!!!

bb

October 28, 2009 3:14 PM

If a Christian and believe in God, he/she cannot be a devil. So, I think this can stop at racist-minority-white skinned people.

Marco

October 28, 2009 3:27 PM

Personally, I don't see any similarities between Russia with China and India. The nation is a barren wasteland. The other two are energy deficit, that's a big contrast. As for India, it is nowhere near the economic prominence of China. The three countries really share little alike. I also don't see a serious terrorist problem in Russia or China.

@ Let's see...
Troll much? I can't believe they put up your post. -.- 9/10 chance you're not even Asian. As a matter of fact, being a Chinese-American, I am quite offended by your post disrespecting both the states of China and India in asserting that they would be unable to handle a problem diplomatically and would be forced to resort to military action.

India shows the world how to stand firm with China

October 28, 2009 4:25 PM

India shows the world how to stand firm with China

October 28, 2009 4:26 PM

Dalai Lama Lesson
India shows the world how to stand firm with China.
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703574604574500863498085246.html

Han

October 28, 2009 5:24 PM

"Like I said: CHINA should take care of india for onve and for all." What a moronic comment.

Whatever you say is not important to the rest of the world..and I know that people of China do not think your way.

What I have observed recently is that India is throwing up a tantrum, maybe out of some hidden agenda, and China is behaving more responsibily in managing their inter-relationship.

The territorial disputes between China and India, if not managed properly, can again break into major military conflicts between the two countries. The chinese do not talk much, but they do make their positions clear, and they are not afraid to react if they think they are cornered.

Jimmy

October 29, 2009 12:32 AM

South Tibet ("Arunachal Pradesh") belongs to China. The aggressor, India, should be taught a lesson, and be broken up into 36 countries once and for all!

jack

October 29, 2009 12:39 AM

India has been purposely increasing the tension on the border with China. What is its purpose? a war to destroy itself? a revenge for 1962 defeat? Indian government should think of its foreign policy twice why it wants to fight neighbours to please some remote superpower in order to get an imagenary benefit. If India keeps on such a stupid mentality it can only destroy itself.

jojo star

October 29, 2009 12:44 AM

in the usa an uk indians do much better than chinese no contest.

china leads india now because they started liberalization earlier but india will progress and match china. china will face a crises because they still need to deal with their political situation.

how do you think russia and japan and the usa will react towards china in the future if china attacked india. india's army not as strong as china's but their su-30 would destroy cheap chinese knockoff su-27

china arrogantly talked about splitting india into 30+ parts but china can be split to with tibet and the muslim province very restitive. if china were to put down tibetean "intiffada" they would be attacked in every western city.

Gungho

October 29, 2009 12:58 AM

There will be peace only as long as China is more powerful than India. Had India been more powerful than China, she would have initiated a war on China long ago (remember Nehru's Forward policy by attacking China first?). What is China waiting for? Let's settle the score now once and for all, Indians are just simply untrustworthy. They are the one who shipped the Tibetans to Colorado for military training and then smuggled them back to China to cause trouble. China should rechannel all of those that are going to Brahmaputra for China's use! If the Indians think they can challenge the Chinese military might, they are just simply living in the fantasy land!

Pablo

October 29, 2009 12:59 AM

The U.S. is using India and its CIA operatives like the Dalai Lama to carefully provoke tensions between these countries. However Russia plays a huge role and in the future it will be energy that will glue these nations together. Regional alliances will be key in the near future and a war between India and China is unlikely but a desire of the U.S to weaken China. Russia on the other hand is doing it's part to carefully arm India and to a lesser extend China with weapons that are not a danger to Russia itself. China uses Pakistan to counter weight India and Russia has arms restrictions to China but not to india in order to even the playing field. As time goes by, China and India grow increasingly more dependent on Russian and Eurasian energy. As this happens Russia is squeezing the former soviet union back to their sphere of influence to give China and India no options but to deal with them for energy. But it's not all good news for Russia as in the next few years, they will need Chinese investment to develope Siberia. There are 6 million Russians living on the far east of Siberia to 40 million Chinese just on their borders. This is plenty of ammunition for a declined U.S empire to exploit to their advantage.

Jack Smith

October 29, 2009 1:12 AM

Why my comment does not appear?

F

October 29, 2009 3:40 AM

I am chinese and have been in india before. it is a disgusting place. even the poorest areas of china don't compare to even the middle class areas of india.

so it is just funny that india thinks it can push china around. we would defeat them so easily.

His Holiness

October 29, 2009 8:38 PM

Yes, Chinese would defeat us easily. Chinese are the martial race. Hindus are weak vegetarians. 1 Chinese = 10 Indians. When Chinese fire their bullets, the hindu would run for cover. Chinese have superior battlefield experience... in conquering the super power peasants of Tibet & East Turkestan. So surely China will defeat India.

(We should let our enemies live in fantasies, thats how we broke our other enemy into half last time ! The clock is ticking for Chinese economy to collapse. When it does, CPC will start a war with India to suppress their civilian unrest or unleash another cultural revolution on their own people. We must be prepared in any case.)

I feel sorry for the Chinese who comment here... they dont realize that their own govt would cannibalize them (yes, it happened during '60s !) in a future cultural revolution !!!

His Holiness

October 29, 2009 8:43 PM

"I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants (*cough*CPC*cough*) and murderers (*cough*CPC*cough*) and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall — think of it, always." - Mahatma Gandhi

C. H. Ng

October 29, 2009 9:55 PM

To both the Chinese & Indians who think their countries should go all out to destroy each other, you are all bloody idiots & should be thrown in jails by your respecting country.
Think of the millions of your own people living in poor conditions and yet you want your country to waste limited resources to go to war over your thoughtless arrogance & pride?
Think also who will be most happy should there is war between your 2 countries? The Americans of cos as they don't have to pay back your billions!!

Shunjing

October 29, 2009 10:44 PM

Legitimate comments are deleted . Yet weird comments with hate contents are welcome. Business week sucks.

S

October 29, 2009 10:48 PM

Read with your head. Some are posing as Chinese or Indian to stir up hate.

jojo star

October 31, 2009 1:47 PM

to S: I am an Indian.

experience dealing with Chinese shows they always try to get the better of others especially if they perceive them to be weaker. that is why India must be strong opposing China else it will just get worse. Remember China invading Tibet claims most of South China sea thousand miles from its border, gave Pakistan nuclear bomb, killed millions of its own people in the leap forward, cultural revolution, Tienanmen, and is now so corrupt for money. All other Asian countries that border China just as worried as India about China.

pathetic writers

October 31, 2009 2:05 PM

man, eye on asia is really crap. it's nothing but hate mongering by these so call "journalist" like robert, balfour, bodeen, and einhorn. i'm willing to bet my life they are posing as indians and chinese posters to crank up the pageviews of this pathetic blog. i have many legitimate posts deleted because they criticize the writers and yet hate mongering get's through.

why it it doing nothing but comparing india and china. the deal is who cares. don't the loser writers have anything better to do than to stir up inter-asian rivalry. divide and conquer

Surya Tiwari

November 12, 2009 1:45 PM

I am an Indian....

I request the people from both side be a good freind. and always speak and write for peace...

buttercookies

November 13, 2009 10:05 AM

The Americans media such as Newsweek had achieve what they set out to do. Let Indian & Chinese fight!

C. H. Ng

November 15, 2009 9:09 PM

To All Chinese & Indian People:-

Please stop your foolish blickerings & hate mongerings. It won't serve any purpose to neither of you 2 races ( and which also include me too as I am a Chinese).

President Obama is now making his first visit to China. For all the talks about some hidden or obvious western's agendas of using India as a pawn against a rising powerful China, it's surprising too that there are calls for him & the US government to learn from China.
So for all diehard hard core Indians who still think highly of your own country, I would like to suggest you to read the column about "5 Things the US can Learn from China" which is an eye opener written by Mr Bill Powell from Time. What he wrote made sense, though of coz I won't dare to say everything in China (or any other country) is perfect. Nevertheless I believe India too can also learn from there and leave out the bad ones.

His Holiness

December 5, 2009 11:07 PM

To C.H.Ng

China has done some commendable work in building up the infrastructure - So did the Nazis and the British empire at the expense of crushing millions of poor people. No big deal. The excuse for all the human rights violation CPC does is the promise of jobs and economic growth. India has similar problems as China, but India is not too far behind and has shown pretty much the same results without all the human rights violation & political oppression crap. It is China which needs to learn from India, on how to respect its own people. Seems that Chinese friends here are deluded that China is heaven on earth - wake up dude ! Do u realize that if there is no smooth power transfer in 2012, there will be another cultural revolution ? Or may be CPC will initiate a war against India just to divert attention. This time it wont be pleasant for CPC. The difference between India & China is, China cannot trigger a civil war in India, but India can in China.

sg

December 10, 2009 7:17 AM

Forget the history try to creat your won destiny i'm sure india is not living in it's past it's moving forward to make it's destiny as an indian i can asure you all that we want to be the best what ever we do . we will be the best may be along with you or over you.

C. H. Ng

December 11, 2009 9:10 PM

@ His Holiness:-

I for one, never said or trying to imply that China is like Heaven on earth. In fact I think you yourself are trying to fool the readers here how great your country is but which I doubt nodoby will agreed with you except of cos your own countrymen.

I can only agreed with you on the misdeeds done by certain governments and/or leaders who caused countless death & sufferings on their own people as well as others while they were in power. But not only the 3 countries as you mentioned. What about Joseph Stalin of Russia during his time? Or the atrocities committed Japan's troops during WWII? Or the killing field by the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia? Sri Lanka government on the Tamil Tigers & vice versa? I can go on & on but these are all past history now.

The ironic thing is that though you said India has never oppressed her people but what about the millions of poor lower caste people - the so-called
"untouchable" people? With your silly caste system, are they not being oppressed? Though it's not by your government but by your society, your government leaders are to be blamed too becoz up till now, none of them dare to outlaw this discrimating and to us foreigners, senseless custom. I wanted to laugh when you said it's China who needs to learn from India on HOW TO RESPECT ITS OWN PEOPLE...! Oh my, oh my... a pot calling a kettle black...!! And please try not be a phophet. You think you know what will be happening in China in 2012? You & I & everybody here won't know what will happen to us tomorrow and yet you are talking about something so far away.

C. H. Ng

December 11, 2009 9:13 PM

Correction to my spelling mistake.....

"phophet" should be read as prophet.

Sorry.

C. H. Ng

December 13, 2009 8:48 PM

@ His Holiness:-

Many Indians think highly of their country & so do the Chinese as well as many other races. This is very common & there is nothing wrong with that. But there is nowhere in this earth where we can really consider it's like Heaven on Earth & I doubt there is anybody out there who think he or she has found such place.

In India, people are still practising the old caste custom which is one of worst form of human rights violation & discrimation. And you got the cheek to say China should learn from India on how to respect her own people!! What a joke!! A pot calling a kettle black... you should be the one to wake up, dude!

ruprsh sharma

January 4, 2010 2:03 AM

dear friend's(chinese),
u have saw one dream from last 100 year to present u r country as a superpower many people & i also belive u r very close to complete u r dream's but u r one misadventure will push back u 1000 year back.i strongly belive's chinese r really not only hard worker also have sharp mind so my dear chini bhai don't thing to destory india because it will give u huge pain& darkness .
i belive china & india this 2 coutry will show western power how to live peacfull with power & u will see in future when no western power will interfare in asia.
TIME IS CHANGE NOW INDIA,CHINA WILL LEAD REST WORLD & ALL WESTERN POWER WILL FOLLOW THEM
JAI HIND

The_Observer

January 7, 2010 10:01 AM

If one were to be objective you could say that Indian officials are far more bellicose and belligerent than the Chinese ones. You could say that is a function of democracy, and people can voice their opinions, but I would add that it is also because India has the implicit backing of the West over China.
If a Chinese General had said that China could take on a two front war say with India and Japan and, with the possible use limited amounts of nuclear weapons, defeat both in 96 hours, he would have been derided in the West and cause severe diplomatic ructions for China. The US Congress would then raise the "China threat" to the nth level calling for sanctions against China. The Chinese General would be called before the Chinese Politburo to explain his outburst, his overconfidence, and his lack of judgement and in all probability removed from his command. With reference to the Indian media, this is apparently what Gen Deepak Kapoor, India's Army Chief is advocating in India's revised military doctrine against both China and Pakistan. I have my doubts that India could defeat China let alone in 96 hours (that would be quicker than the US in both Iraq wars). So far in the West there has been no comment or criticism of such advocacy of the use of nuclear weapons. This can only be seen as hypocrisy on the part of the West as they have given a nuclear deal to India (who has nuclear weapons) outside of the NPT while criticizing Iran who is only at the start of reprocessing nuclear fuel.
Then there was Indian Defence Research and Development Organisation Director General V.K. Saraswat stating recently that India is working on a weapon system capable of neutralising enemy satellites operating in low-earth orbits and will ISRO vehicles to carry out certain missions. At the moment there is silence again from Western governments and media on this issue. If the Chinese government had come up with a similar statement the US Congress again and other governments would again shout "China threat" and have said that this justifies their technology ban on China.
Instead of criticism of India from the West on the above two issues you have have the latter beating a path to India to sell advanced armaments, fighter aircraft, etc. And then people wonder why the Pakistanis and the Chinese have their doubts about the West's intentions.

C. H. Ng

January 7, 2010 10:04 PM

From young I was educated in English instead of my mother tongue, Chinese.
During my younger years I learned to appreciate Western culture, thinking & English songs. In fact I used to think very highly of western people & their way of life. But over the years as I mellowed & watched how our world has changed, my perception & thinking have also changed.

Now I begin to understand many western people are being brainwashed by their governments (or by certain groups of powerful elements in their government bodies) to be forever No. 1 in term of power & influence in this world. They are as blinded as that they think their white race is destined to control the whole world. Any other country / regime which dare to confront them or their authority are deemed as their public enemy. If such country/regime is not strong like Saddam Hussein of Iraq, they will just overrun him (as S.H) or her (as Iraq). But when faced with stronger opponents such as Russia or China who are no easy walkover when come to open blows, they will used covert operations such as:-

1) Selling arms to any country who are not on friendly term with the said 2 countries -- using the principle of "their enemies are our friends".

2) Making use of medias to spread lies such as Iraq had produced weapons of mass destruction and/or using their favorite slogans of human rights & freedom of speech to rub into the Chinese government to make them look bad to the rest of the world.

3) Meanwhile closing one eye & turned the other way when their perceived friendly supporter governments are conducting even worse human atrocity on their own citizen such as Saddam Hussein of Iraq when he WAS SIDING WITH THE US AGAINST IRAN AT THAT TIME, and other governments/regimes which I cannot or dare not name here but which I am sure many readers here know very well who I am referring to.

With respect to all westerners, I believe most of you are innocent & will not have anything to do with what your governments are doing but nevertheless you should help to stop those small group of power crazy elements in your government from fighting a stupid war in Afghanistan for example. Or waging a cold war front against a perceived enemy such as China or Russia, when the money & effort spend can be better utilised to fight global warming or any other clauses for the good of mankind. Likewise the Chinese & Indian governments shouldn't waste too much on military hardwares where such money can be used to improve the living standards of their mass poor.

Homrraj Bik

January 8, 2010 12:18 PM

You two, Chinese and Indians listen! you guys have different philosophy of living.
Chinese believe in money and Indians believe in God. I don't think you guys need to compare eachother.

@Homrraj Bik

January 11, 2010 4:13 PM

I beg to differ your claim that "Chinese believe in money and Indians believe in God", for that Chinese don't believe in USD at all, while without specifying which God (e.g. holy cow, holy rat or holy snake), Indians would be in eternal quarrels among themseleves...

However, Chinese and Indians don't need to fight as they belong to different leagues. It's not fair.

SAMIR AGARWAL

August 29, 2010 10:02 AM

Dear Friends,

Hi this is Samir a mechnical engineer working with a steel export company since last 15 years ,from New Delhi India , We sincerely believe that peace
in south Asian region is the only desire by all living in India and
China , We always wish and hope that top leaders in both the countries
understand this that
after centuries our civilization has come to this stage that we can
dream and work for better life for our citizens , We need to focus more
on co-operation between technology and human resource sharing so that
both countries can make better living for all.
There is no authenticity in who is in number one position in Asia , But
it is the quality of progress and life that any region can offer to its
people.
All countries are well equipped with nuclear capabilities and with
weapon of mass destruction , It should not happen that mistake of our
generation leave a permanent scar on our lifes , that will require
generations of pain and misery to fill in our lifes.

Humanity is very very advanced now and very much mature too. We
sincerely pray to god & believe that China – India can be good friends
again and if tried with open mind , We can be brothers too soon as we
used to be 60 years ago when there was abject poverty in both the
nations.

Regards ,

Er.Samir Agarwal.
Mobile -0091-9811563958.

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