A Tense Meeting for China and India's Premiers

Posted by: Bruce Einhorn on October 26, 2009

Check out this Xinhua picture of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh at their meeting over the weekend. Wen has a wan smile, and Singh can’t even manage that. Not surprising, given the accusations flying back and forth between China and India recently over their disputed border. “We have reached important consensus on promoting bilateral ties, and I believe that our two countries could maintain a good relationship in the future,” Xinhua reported Wen saying after the meeting at the ASEAN summit in Thailand. Singh, according to the Chinese news agency, said “We share with the Chinese people their pride of success.”

The Times of India account of the meeting explains why the leaders made for such an unhappy uncouple in front of the photographers. “The contentious issue of the Dalai Lama’s proposed visit to Arunachal Pradesh remains unaddressed, prompting analysts in India to predict the Wen-Singh meeting will not mean a softening of Beijing’s tough stance toward New Delhi,” the paper wrote.

Indeed, the Times reports that the Indian suspicions of China are actually getting worse, as Indians warily eye Beijing’s efforts to build influence in Nepal. “Silently but speedily China is spreading its wings in the erstwhile Hindu kingdom, mainly to unleash anti-India propaganda. Besides acquiring some major construction projects in Nepal, the Chinese are also making their presence felt by opening language centres in Nepali cities on the Indo-Nepal border. These centres are teaching Chinese language. But, what raises suspicions on Chinese intentions is the fact that these centres are open only for Nepali citizens.”

The Times gives us no examples of the “anti-India propaganda” that Beijing has unleashed in Nepal. Similarly, it’s hard to believe Mandarin-language centers are really sinister plots to create fifth columnists for China in the Himalayas. Indians are concerned about Nepalese plans to re-direct rivers that flow into India, with help from China, but worries about Nepal becoming a Chinese satellite seem premature. It’s New Delhi, not Beijing, that is about to sign a new free-trade treaty with Nepal.

Reader Comments

Manu Verma

October 26, 2009 7:24 AM

China claims over AP due to historically, the area having a close relationship with Tibetan people and Tibetan culture, for example the sixth Dalai Lama Tsangyang Gyatso was born in Tawang. Is just like making the world a fool.
AP is extremely rich in hydroelectric power potential.In fact with an estimate of over 30,000 MW the state ranks first in theIndia in terms of hydroelectric power potential. Unfortunately india has not utilized that till now.
China which is predator world over for power, natural resources wants to catpure AP. So that it can have produce 30,000MW of power.
But india and world is not able to understand this.
Its time that world specially USA & Japan come and state that AP belong to India.
World was not able to save Tibet. but they must come and save AP from China incursion.

cnn

October 26, 2009 8:26 AM

american like to instigate the dispute between india and china,american are sinister

Bret

October 26, 2009 11:15 AM

Indian can cry all the want, knowing their characteristic, always me first, what is best for me. I am not surprise.

Here in Canada, Sikh student can carry their ceremonial dagger to school because of their religion. They cry to the mounted police so the Sikh officer don't have to wear the traditional RCMP head gear. Imagine that.

Lately Indian government wants Chinese company operating in India use less Chinese worker. But Indian company in the US are full of indian worker. You see the difference.

Will

October 26, 2009 11:22 AM

China is too smart. Putting Mandarin centers first. Railway link to Nepal. More Chinese govt subsidized construction. Haha. Welcome the smart Chinese. Chinese are great they think long term. 50 years. Thats what they did to castrate Taiwan. Haha. Next in line in India. Indian leaders can only think maximum for 5 years, because thats what they are chosen for. Good for China and for the secret dirty ambitions of China. China has money, 3 Trillion USD, China is building nice ports in Pakistan, Srilanka, now Nepal hehe. China will squeeze India from all directions. Watch 50 years later, China thinks 50 years, Indian's think for 5 years.

bob

October 26, 2009 11:23 AM

The fear mongering is pretty much one-sided, all coming from India. Take a look at the fake news coming out of India's supposed free media, and you'll know what I mean.

Ben

October 26, 2009 1:49 PM

The Indian defense industry establishment's attempt to play "China threat" for their own interest seems to be getting out of hand. The American and Israeli military-industrial complex that are trying to benefit by stirring up weapons built-ups in China and India should be restrained by US and Israeli goverments.

javaf

October 26, 2009 1:59 PM

Isn't this the same paper that claimed chinese troops secretly crossed into indian territory and painted rocks with the word CHINA in "cantonese" and further asserted chinese troops fired into indian territory and injured border guards, effectively accusing china of committing an act war...?

Kumar

October 26, 2009 4:02 PM

Rest of the world will not be a safe place any disadvantage for India from China. India never had any history of harrassing China but still Dragon started emitting smoke(Still no fire)once India is tamed under China, what about the future for,
1) Japan-Grudge for WW-2 attrocities.
2) Taiwan.
3) South Korea.
Looks like a undeserving quick uneven success of a rogue state comparable with Germans in 1930's.
Beware of China!!!

TJ

October 26, 2009 5:09 PM

Childish articles by Bruce. Either you have an IQ of a mentally retarded person or you are too jealous of India-China trying to resolve their differences. Everyone can see why.

Bruce, you are a loser.

It takes two

October 26, 2009 5:56 PM

It takes TWO to tango.

gerggg

October 26, 2009 8:54 PM

What is USA biggest fear? China and India become friends and work together! Think about it.

cup

October 26, 2009 9:31 PM

Dalai Lama’s proposed visit to Arunachal Pradesh (India)/Southern Tibet (China) is a short term calculation but a grave strategic headache for India for years to come. First, India uses current Dalai Lama to make a point, but one has to remember that next Dalai Lama will surely take a just opposite position on the issue(given the fact that current Dalai Lama was confirmed by current ROC government at Taiwan in early last century and all past Dalai Lamas had followed the similar procedure). Second, India government probably be too confident that Tibetan exiles will continue to listen to them if they be lucky to get their wish from China for the independance (remember that India currently is a much weaker nation compared to China). Third, after fifty years of continuted residence, the region that harbors Tibetan Exiles in India will sooner or later become a disputed area, which can be disputed by either China or Tibetan exiles themselves (If one looks back the Chinese history, a dynasty change did occur under very similar situations when a general invite an outsider for helping him).

coolhead

October 26, 2009 10:35 PM

Yes, Bruce, Indian media has been really paranoid and is do their best at China bashing. "But, what raises suspicions on Chinese intentions is the fact that these centres are open only for Nepali citizens.” Why should this raise suspicions?

Huyu

October 26, 2009 11:19 PM

India is just a nuisance to the current affairs of the fasting developing China. The smile from Wen says it all. Oh, oh, don't cry, be happy, I may still give some candy to you. On turning over his back, he is more concerned how to deliver his people to 10KUS$ in the next 10 years. By that time, it is still not too late to resolve the Tawang issue satisfactorily, and in the mean time it is not so bad just to keep the Indians continuing paranoid and on edge about Tawang. I personally do not believe the snow covered dirt in South Tibet is worth any bones of the Chinese grenadiers; the borders between the two countries had never been clearly delineated as herders and nomads go where the grass is green and when it is green with little respect to legality. However, Tawang is different as it is a long time tibetan-mongoloids settlement. India has to acknowledge that it is traditionally chinese territory and even if the chinese are good enough eventually are kind enough to throw some bones to the Indians, that acknowledgment has to be given first.

Nepal

October 26, 2009 11:22 PM

Nepal's comment: If India wants Nepal to help India in this matter, it must first help institutionalize democracy in Nepal. Increase from less than 2 percent comunists in 1959 to over 40 percent in 2009 was solely due to Indian and Kings' arrogance and faulty moves to prevent the influence of Nepali Congress and their common interest not to allow emergence of a strong and popular national leader. Indian should change its policy at the earliest and help strengthen the democratic forces rathr than meddling with communists. Appeasing orthodox and hard core communist will be detrimental to Indians and it willo distant its own Nepalese friends.

jcage

October 27, 2009 12:22 AM

Eventually, the Dalai Lama and his follower will cut a chunk of India as part of new Tibetan territory! It is a matter of time since India has many separatist inside India that one more won't make a difference. The Dalai Lama and company must know really well the strength and specially the weakness of India. Indian plan of using the Dalai Lama as a future puppet to control Tibet from China could backfire..
Dalai Lama want power and he does not care from whom he get it even if that mean splitting INdia apart to have his own kingdom

TJ

October 27, 2009 1:39 AM

Indians and Chinese should refrain from being so easily provoked by Americans. India and China destroying each other serves US well. Infiltration of US moles in Indian media is a cause of concern. I hope people see into US' sinister plans and call Bruce what he really is. A LOSER!

C. H. Ng

October 27, 2009 3:38 AM

To All Chinese & Indian Hotheads:-

Should both your countries start sabre rattling, or if even worse start going for each other throat, there will no winner except the foreign force/forces who is/are behing manipulating the whole thing which causes the friction.
Both China & India can ill afford to start any war now or in the near future, with each other and/or with any other country.
Both giant neighbours should sit down & negotiate rather than being made used by the 3rd force/forces behind the scene. In my opinion, India is more easily manipulated rather than China as most Chinese are busy thinking ways to make fast money rather than looking for trouble. But having said that, you can bet they won't back away from confrontation if trouble troubles them. Just like the recent case when the US naval spy vessel got too near their Hainan naval base.
Remember they are no longer the sick man of Asia anymore and neither I think India is too. So wise up & be strong; don't let evil forces disrupt the peace among the Asian giants and fools out of you.

C. H. Ng

October 27, 2009 4:13 AM

Further to my comment just earlier, if both the Chinese & Indian are going to be so stupid to start a confrontation between the 2 Asian giant countries, there will be not only 2 big losers but many other countries will be badly affected too. The only winners will be the small group of "white supremists" who can never stomach a strong & rising yellow force and of cos the "merchants of death" (the weapon sellers).

So to the Chinese:- Stop thinking highly of yourselves, be more humble & respectful of your neighbours. Make your money by all means but remember it's more easier to make it during peaceful time than trouble time.

To the Indians:- Stand up & be strong. Stop being made used like a pawn by the forces behind who will only dump you once you are of no use to them. I doubt your country can beat China unless your manipulators help by selling modern weapons to you. But I doubt they will help by sending troops even if they see you are losing. As in Sun Tze's Art of War, the surest winner is the party who let the other 2 parties fought until they are both weaken while he just sit & watch...and wait like a vulture.

Jack

October 27, 2009 10:57 AM

1962 ind-China war was started by India. A book by neville maxwell claimed. Check it out.

Sunil

October 27, 2009 10:59 AM

Are the comments real time or moderated? check

Xiang Yu

October 27, 2009 2:03 PM

Somehow Indians always feel insecure if it is related to China.

Hatemongers

October 27, 2009 5:10 PM

India just needs to ask themselves why it is that all their neighbors seem to be better friends with China than with them. Then replace the word "China" with "Japan" or "US" or "Europe", the answer is obvious, it's not China, it's India itself! If China's not there, there'll be some other country that India's neighbors will cozy up to...anybody but India.

So India, stop talking and go do some soul searching. Why do all your neighbors hate you? Things won't get better until you become honest with yourself. Start by stopping with the finger pointing.

His Holiness

October 27, 2009 8:21 PM

China's claim on Arunachal Pradesh is ridiculous. Mongolia & Japan should start claiming whole of China on the same grounds. The real reason for the claim is that AP is the first territory China should conquer to become a super power. Next is Assam. They will have an alternate access to the ocean through China-AP-Assam-Bangladesh. China is nothing if the Malacca straits are blocked. They desperately need an alternate access to the ocean.

AP may be an issue between India & Tibet; not India & China. Indians are idiots, we recognize Tibet as part of China & have to deal with all this BS about AP. India should declare Tibet as an independent nation. The government-in-exile should be recognized as the legitimate govt for Tibet. They must be allowed to open an embassy in India. India should start border talks with the government-in-exile (who are basically living in India !).

Chinese are super brilliant. India did not have a modern army which can defend against any other country other than Pakistan. Thanks to China's '62 war, India became an advanced nuclear & missile power. Thanks for snubbing our PM - the representative of the largest democracy in the world. India's stance has hardened on the border issues. Continue sabre rattling will achieve the de-recognition of Chinese claim on Tibet & the scenario outlined above.

His Holiness

October 27, 2009 8:50 PM

All the supposed "invincibility" of China... *ahem* I dont want to pop the bubble. Pakistan is America's military errand boy. China is America's economy whore. China is uber smart, they grabbed all the "cheap" markets. The problem is, the "cheap" markets are super sensitive to exchange rates. India cannot compete with China on cost. That has forced India into competing on the "quality" markets. "Quality" markets are much more stable & not sensitive to exchange rates. China is not just responsible for the value of Yuan but also the dollar. China cannot trade the surplus dollars in the market - will appreciate yuan & decrease the exports. The only option is to handover the dollars to the US. If US sells military hardware, that will perfectly compensate. But US is too smart. US knows how to exploit their money whore. US will only give T-Bills in return. US has also cleverly boosted China's ego by projecting an imaginary "rising China" threat. All the paranoidism of CPC has created a huge bubble. It will pop up for sure, "When" is the question.

I hope post-CPC, a democratic, responsible govt will rule China & the multi millennial cultural ties with India will be revived.

XY

October 27, 2009 10:37 PM

Manu Verma:typical Indian way of thinking? Tawang rich in hydroelectric power? What if China builds 30 dams upstream? Will there be enough water left for Indians living downstream then? China is in the midst of constructing its 1st "run of the river" power station on the Yaluzangbu river. This is one of five such stations. What if China decides to dam the river for a cascade of 30 hydro-stations? What if China decides to divert the water?

job

October 27, 2009 10:51 PM

Indians talk just for the sake of talking.

C. H. Ng

October 28, 2009 3:02 AM

@His Holiness:-

"Pakistan is US'errand boy & China is US's economic whore"??

I remember one recent comment posted supposely by an American Jew who couldn't had put it more clearly that he said "when USA tells you Indian people to jump, you jump". I think what he said is nothing further than the truth!

That;s why I mentioned in my post earlier that all Indians should stand up & be counted; don't make youselves as lackey of any other superpower as what we all other people always view & judge you as such.

Indian big-bully

October 28, 2009 10:26 AM

Hundreds of fragmented sovereign states in the continent, British created one block that so-called now is: India, and it has no friends in the region except its colonized state of Bhutan (Forcing Bhutan to sign British inherited protectorate treaty in 1949, Druke Kingdom of Bhutan turned to Indian colony and still is). Moreover to mourn is: Indian invasion of the Himalayan Kingdom of Sikkim in 1976, but the whole world is sleeplessly in silence.

If asked about their favorable opinion on India from the surrounding countries nationals ( Sri Lankan, Pakistani, Nepalis, Bangladeshi and so on) almost none has positive images with India as a results of Indian big-bully. So it is just a lonely wolf in the region. When Pakistan without effort can slap India at wish, now Indian starting to tickle to China is a Good Joke!

Bharath

October 28, 2009 7:46 PM

Indians talk - because we are raised in a country which encourages freedom of thought & respects freedom of speech. Ofcourse Chinese couldn't understand this - they are raised to be work horses who are strictly to adhere to the official party line. Any deviation of thought would be immediately weeded out.

freedom lover

October 29, 2009 2:25 AM

XY, if you are Chinese you are stupid! Period... that's it.

China may be trying to dam waters of the brahamaputra, but it may end uyp causing the biggest global warming ever.

First it would starve India and Bangladesh of waters. WIll it ever lead to friendship with these countries ever after? Never, never never...

Then by diverting the waters it would end up causing industrial activity in the Himalayas, and adding a few degrees to the entire world. It would further liquify the glaciars for its water needs. Brilliant engineering but "evil" thinking and worse reflecting a boorish attitude towards the world's environment.

Do the Chinese want to be known in history as a Civilization which caused the destruction of Asia?

Let my Chinese friends answer that...

Mika

October 29, 2009 10:32 PM

Asan, resisting is futile. What belong to China will eventually belong to China. What do not belong to India will eventually leave India.

IQ Zero

October 29, 2009 11:46 PM

To "Freddom Lover":

You are an idiot. Why would China care about Indian 'friendship'. Indians clearly has only jealousy and hostility, not friendship, in mind toward China. Daming the Yaluzhangbu in China (Not brahamaputra in India), will have little impact to global warming. Globally it is an insignificant river. And Little chance of large scale industrialization in Tibet.

Daming the Yaluzhangbu will deprive the electirc power Indian are dreaming to harness from their LOWER segments of the river. That is right, India needs to cooperate with China because much of your water in northern Indian orginates from China!

Poor guy, you brain is all mess up. Too much opium, perhaps?

freedom lover

October 31, 2009 4:14 AM

Dear IQ Zero,

Your IQ is really zero. Why should any sane country want to deprive another of water??

The planet earth belongs to all of us, not to just a few. In fact it also belongs to our future generations also. THere is a saying in HInduism that "the earth is what we have inherited from our ancestors and have to hand on to our descendents..."

Maybe you are too dumb and evil to understand this.

The earlier CHinese hydro project at Three Gorges is causing ENVIRONMENTAL problems in CHINA. Maybe if you have a little IQ, you can study the hydro impacts, upstream and downstream. And also the salinity and imapcts on your lakes.

This project is the worst dream of a boorish mind; ok you have no love for the environment today... but will your future generations survive in case you liquify the Himalayas??

sophgold

November 3, 2009 9:32 PM

As a Chinese, I must admit that China might lose its competitiveness over India soon. The Chinese younger generation have been indoctrinated into evil and intolerance.They are generally arrogant,selfish,ignorant,and demoralized. How can a civilized nation be built by them? I am highly suspicous of it.I do believe that China is the most possible original place of great wars, including another bloody great civil war.

sophgold

November 3, 2009 9:57 PM

I really worry a possible war waged by China against India in near future.As you know , China has so many domestic problems which are unsolvable in deed.The legitimacy of CCP government only rest on its ability to obtain high-speed economic growth and improving of living conditions. However, it is more and more difficult to make it. The economic developing style adopted by China is combined with astonishing pollution and waste. now ,China is the most polluted country in the world.China will inevitablly be faced with the problem. As the pace of economic development is slow down , all kinds of problems will emerge from under-water. China will desperately need a scapegoat to divert domestic confict over these problems,and India is the first candiate.

sophgold

November 3, 2009 10:43 PM

I made this jugement based on following facts:
first, China has the largest land dispute with India. land dispute is always a nice instrument to instigate nationalism enthusiasm and trigger a war.
second, the success of India will be a grave threat to the legitimacy of CCP government. As you kown ,India are quite similar to China in many ways: both have the largest population on the earth, both are dominant regional power,
both are the largest rising economic power, both are developing countries yet to eliminate massive poverty, and so on. but India is different from China on a crucial point: India is the largest democracy in the world, while China remains the largest totalitarianism
state.The success of India will inevitablly pose a grave threat on the fragile legitacy of the CCP regime.
Third, India have accepted most tibetan refugees, including tibetan's spiritual leader Dalai Lama.It make Chinese leaders very displeased. They consider the refugees will be dangerous threat to their rule in Tibet.
Finally, China has been more and more jealous of India in recent years on India's much more better relationship with western and even with other major power such as Russia.As the globlization continues , China is worrying about the prospect that India would snatch the opportunities China used to deem them naturally belonging to her.

His Holiness

November 8, 2009 7:17 PM

Sophgold, you're the only sensible person in China, the rest all programmed robots ! If China adopts democracy like India, then all internal & external problems will be peacefully resolved. In India, we have an amazing amount of diversity and no ethnic/religious group dominates another, thus not leading to any resentment. We have democracy even in Kashmir & they regularly vote. Compare this to Tibet & Xinjiang, where the demographics have been altered & the local population is drowned by Han settlement. If China adopts a federal structure like India or US & there is representation from the natives of Tibet/Xinjiang, there would be no problem at all. So all this ultimately boils down to power sharing, which CPC is very reluctant to do. Besides, CPC is doing PERMANENT damage to the environment of China, which the future generations will have to suffer for. One peaceful solution I can think of is Gandhian demonstration from the Chinese people for democracy.

Lionheart

November 9, 2009 2:31 AM

sophgold
lol, sophgold, I think you are a India guy pretend to be a chinese. You are really, really funny.
Any way, no matter who you are. Thank you for you amused me.

sophgold

November 11, 2009 5:41 AM

His Holiness:
Thank you, but I must point out that many chinese conceive similar views as which I mentioned above.Their voices are not so easily to be heared by you.
The border-dispute between China and India is quite a difficult difference to be takled with. However, I do hope that Chinese and indians can solve this problem peacefully. military conlicts are always horrible things and have no any positive effect on the issue.

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