China's Muslim West Racked by Deadly Protests

Posted by: Dexter Roberts on July 06, 2009

It’s the worst ethnic violence in China since last March’s Tibet uprising. On Monday, China reported that at least 140 people had been killed and 828 injured in riots Sunday in the city of Urumqi, capital of the oil and gas-rich far western Muslim region of Xinjiang. Apparently sparked by anger over a conflict late last month between Uighur Muslims and Han Chinese at a factory in southern China, street protests involving at least 1,000 people grew violent starting in Urumqi’s Muslim district of Erdaoqiao.

By the time police and other security forces had squelched the riots several hours after they began plenty of damage had been done. While initial reports suggested only four had died, by Monday the official Xinhua news agency had revised that upwards to 140 and said that figure would likely grow higher. At a press conference on Monday the regional police chief announced that 261 vehicles, including 190 buses, at least ten taxis, and two police cars, as well as 203 shops and 14 homes had been destroyed in the city of 2 million-plus on Sunday.

Although Tibet’s problems with ethnic and religious strife are better known, and seized world headlines when riots in Lhasa occurred last March, the ten or so million Uighurs that make up roughly half the population of Xinjiang (that’s according to official Chinese figures; Uighur groups outside China say that the real number could be as high as 20 million) have a long history of resisting, sometimes violently, Beijing’s control. Indeed, a series of bomb attacks, including in Kunming and Shanghai, in the run-up and during last year’s Beijing Olympics, were claimed by groups saying they advocate an independent Xinjiang or what separatist-leaning Uighurs usually call Turkistan. And sixteen armed police in Xinjiang’s far western city of Kashgar were killed in a bomb and stabbing attack on Aug. 4 last year, just days before the Olympics opened.

As in the past, China quickly blamed exiled Uighur businesswoman Rebiya Kadeer for inciting the unrest (she has lived in the U.S. since being released in 2005 from a Chinese jail after six years of imprisonment on the charge of “harming national security”). “Rebiya had phone conversations with people in China on July 5 in order to incite and Web sites … were used to orchestrate the incitement and spread propaganda,” Xinjiang’s governor Nur Bekri said on Chinese television Monday. A spokesman for Kadeer has denied she had any role in the riots. Meanwhile, Xinhua quoted a government statement Monday saying that the violence was “a pre-empted, organized violent crime. It is instigated and directed from abroad and carried out by outlaws in the country.”

Regardless of whether there was any support from outside the country, the latest riots suggest an uncomfortable reality for Beijing: as I noted in a blog during the Tibetan and Uighur unrest last year, China’s official policy of pushing rapid economic development in its lagging western areas seems of limited effect when it comes to appeasing its minorities (the hope has been that well-off minorities will be less likely to press for independence.) There is no doubt that the larger economic picture looks pretty good. Indeed I recently wrote about the rise of China’s southwest region economy (which borders on Tibet) and how that is drawing business investment to cities like Chengdu, Sichuan. Xinjiang, making up much of China’s northwest region, also looks quite good: its economy has grown at double digits for all of the last six years and in 2008 grew 11%-well above the national average.

But the fact is that the overall growth numbers in the west obscure a troubling reality: the economic benefits—including those emanating from massive centrally-funded infrastructure projects like the Qinghai-Tibet railway—the world’s highest track—and a series of gas pipelines that already run from the desert in Xinjiang to Shanghai and later will reach Guangzhou—are not equally reaching all.

That is apparent when one parses the official per capita income growth figures—while both urban and rural incomes grew more rapidly in Xinjiang than nationally last year, up 10.9% and 10.1% respectively, compared to 8.4% and 8% across China—they still were well below the national average. In particular, Xinjiang’s average rural income (most Muslim Uighurs live outside cities like Urumqi and make up the bulk of the region’s rural poor) was just $513 a year, or less than 75% the national rural average. At the same time, the broader economic growth continues to draw ever larger numbers of Chinese migrants to the region that often monopolize newly created jobs, adding to the resentment felt by local minorities. As more information comes out in the coming days it will be interesting to see to what degree economic concerns, including resentment about unequal economic opportunities, contributed to the violent Xinjiang riots.

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Reader Comments

Karl

July 6, 2009 08:15 AM

I think that people all over the world should SPEAK-OUT on the web instead of protesting outside! Too bad people in other countries don't have access to computers like we do in the USA. We don't have to worry about being killed if we SPEAK-OUT on the web, right? And just think- we can reach MILLIONS of people by posting comments all over the web, correct? I like the web. It's a nice thing.

Squeezebox

July 6, 2009 09:59 AM

Poverty and inequality fuel Muslim fundamentalism. It's not the rich people taking up arms, it's the poor who have nothing to lose.

Shanghai

July 6, 2009 10:02 AM

Rebiya to China is like Bin Ladin to USA. It is not a protest, it is obviously a group of Terrorists killing innocent people! You fail to get your facts straight.

DanTe

July 6, 2009 10:09 AM

Like all other muslime sects, the Uyghars are determined to have their children taught "properly" by rocking back and forth like one afflicted with autism while memorizing the koran. Stupid things like studying math, chemistry and other basic sciences are considered devilry. Gee, I wonder why the new high tech companies doesn't hire the local muslimes. It's discrimination, yeah, that what it is, yeah.

Karl

July 6, 2009 10:37 AM

People all over the world must have 'Googled' this- DR MANDELSTAMM OF KIEFF, and read the passage entitled- 'The Talmud And The Ghettoes', huh? It looks like everyone in the WORLD is speaking-out, correct? I think it's good to let off a little steam every 2,000 years or so, wouldn't you agree? Quote: "The times, they are a changin'." - Dylan

yl

July 6, 2009 11:55 AM

All the terorits should be sentenced, these guys migrated to Western China from central Asia around 700 years ago, China allow them to speak their Turkish language and practice their muslin religion, now they want take this land as their own country, what a joke, you give them the food and now they want your house.

chineseman

July 6, 2009 12:04 PM

@Shanghai

u r party members of China, wt u r telling is not the truth. I hate Chinese Gov.

Evil religion

July 6, 2009 12:05 PM

Muslims cannot get along with anyone anywhere! Time to wipe this evil, medieval religion off the face of the earth!

Ibrahim

July 6, 2009 05:04 PM

Why are you all so hateful towards Muslims. Its so easy to just hate Muslims? ask yourself why , has every a Muslim done anything to you? probably never, so why the hate. Muslims want the freedom to worship Allah, and nothing else.

Ibrahim

July 6, 2009 05:04 PM

Why are you all so hateful towards Muslims. Its so easy to just hate Muslims? ask yourself why , has every a Muslim done anything to you? probably never, so why the hate. Muslims want the freedom to worship Allah, and nothing else.

Ibrahim

July 6, 2009 05:04 PM

Why are you all so hateful towards Muslims. Its so easy to just hate Muslims? ask yourself why , has every a Muslim done anything to you? probably never, so why the hate. Muslims want the freedom to worship Allah, and nothing else.

Bemore Peaceful

July 6, 2009 06:50 PM

Hey. Tone down the mindless racism. It's fools like who you stoke the flames and make everything worse.

DanTe

July 6, 2009 06:54 PM

Now this is funny. I guess the libtard editors here doesn't like how we're not appropriately crying for the murderous muslimes. So they moved this blog off the front sheet. :)

bs

July 6, 2009 08:21 PM

To Karl:

Too bad innocent civilians were killed by Uighur Muslims. They have a very diffiernt way of "speaking out" and "protesting".

C. H. Ng

July 6, 2009 09:11 PM

@Evil Religion.

There is no such thing as an evil religion. All religions preach good deeds, not bad or violent things. It's only the extremists among the believers who falsely used God's name in a form of religion to conduct evil deeds.

I am a Chinese living in a country where Muslims are the majority people. There are many cases of evil & violent things happening in my country as well and they are not only conducted by people with Muslim belief but also by people with other beliefs such as Christian, Buddhist, Hindu and etc. I used the words "people with religious belief" as to show that everybody is the same regardless of his or her religion. The people who commit such deeds are evil, not the religion. So it's wrong to say certain religion is evil.

melanie

July 6, 2009 09:54 PM

Being not happy with the government doesn't mean you have a right to kill innocent people. Murderers should be brought to justice.

Apple

July 6, 2009 10:05 PM

These terrorists should be sentenced to prison! Many innocent people involed in the riot and even lost their lives because of the sin.Maybe they feel someting unequal, but they could convert their voice in a formal way to Beijing.Is the riot a proper way to express your mind despite lost of bloody?

Coward Wests!

July 7, 2009 01:14 AM

Where are Obama, Gordon, Angela? They speak for Iran not for these poor people? Where are they?

Givemered

July 7, 2009 02:05 AM

I fully agree with above statement "Muslims cannot get along with anyone anywhere! Time to wipe this evil, medieval religion off the face of the earth!" In fact all conflicts in the world has muslim roots.

Muslim-not-issue

July 7, 2009 02:16 AM

Muslims are not the problem here. The Hui muslims in China, for instance, are quite peaceful. It is the Uighur separatists that had been behind all these terrorist attacks. The US government is indirectly supporting terrorism in China by refusing to hand over those 17 Uighur terrorists caught co-operating with the Taleban and Al Queada in Afghanistan.

qq

July 7, 2009 03:18 AM

whatever the cause,it`s a tragedy espcially for the victims.
180 lives disapeared!!

qq

July 7, 2009 03:18 AM

whatever the cause,it`s a tragedy espcially for the victims.
180 lives disapeared.

C. H. Ng

July 7, 2009 04:44 AM

No doubt all those who participated in the mindless killings and destructions should be caught and severely punished. They have no right to take laws into their own hands and create chaos. But while doing so, the government should look into the reason / reasons behind the sudden outbreak. I am not trying to say what the Chinese government did is wrong or am I trying to advise what she should do.

If we are look into our human race as a whole, it's always divided among these 3 lines..the rich, the middle class and the poor. Regardless of the race or country, these 3 lines are unavoidable.
The rich ppl have no time for anything except maybe to make more money and exploring ways to enjoy their wealth. The middle class tend to go along their lives contently. But the poor always have to find ways & means to feed their hunger all the times. When a person is hungry, he or she tends to become desperate. When a person's mind comes to a stage of desperation, he or she will have nothing except hatred for everything and everybody and the world.
Thus he or she will start to do things to the extreme and become what we called terrorist or extremist. Or we can say they are most likely to cause troubles.

If the whole world organisations and / or governments can more or less take care of all these poor people's plights,the chances of troubles brewing out of nowhere will definitely lessen. I won't say it will be totally eradicated but only much lessen.

Nevertheless I am not saying only poor people will tend to become terrorist or extremist. Once awhile you tend to find "extraordinary" people like Osama who can turned his back on his rich family background and lives a life of which he believes is his destiny. I have no comment on such people and I shall leave you to think and / or comment on my choice of using such word "extraordinary" to describe the world's most wanted man. For your infor, I am no admirer of him or anybody who caused unnecessary and senseless killings / destructions.

cynthia

July 7, 2009 09:45 AM

Look we are here to support the people that are in need here, not by playing the blame game, there have been 140 people that have lost there lives here.
@ Evil religion!!!
How dare you disrespect others religion!!!!

WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE!!!!!!

Vasco

July 7, 2009 10:02 AM

Finally a country not afraid to stand still in the face of terrorism and muslim crazed ppl...
"people died".. but also "people" destroyed, burned and terrorized an entire city... what were they expecting? cupcakes and tea?...

There are a lot of poor people and minorities looking for independence in the world, but only the muslims are violent and blow things up... not because of poverty or independence claims (which don't fly in this case since this is not a fight for any sort of independence, just havoc).. but because these people will only be happy when they live in utter poverty and controlled closely by an islamic rule...

Terrorism is not just placing bombs in densely populated areas, it is also rapping, murder and extensive riots....
like the ones we saw in paris riots, or theo van gogh muder, and the increase in Denmark rappings..

The chinese were very calm and had a huge amount of patient, which allowed for "261 vehicles, including 190 buses, at least ten taxis, and two police cars, as well as 203 shops and 14 homes had been destroyed in the city of 2 million-plus on Sunday."
what was the alternative?

DanTe

July 7, 2009 10:40 AM

I love these muslimes: "Why do people hate us? Oh why? We didn't do anything."

FACT: Everywhere where there are muslimes.

China --
(suicide bombers that kill little children - read your news archives)

India --
(muslimes burned 100s of hindus alive in packed trains and burned villagers alive while they slept)

Middle East --
(suicide bombers that kill little children)

Russia --
(suicide bombers that kill little children)

South East Asia --
(muslime thugs who kidnap teachers, school children, nurses, priests for ransom, than murder them all)

Europe --
(suicide bombers that kill little children)

USA -- 9/11 happened

Yep, nobody should hate muslimes. They're really a religion of peace. Much like any other religion. Yep. One has to be BORN stupid to believe that. No one can possibly be working that hard at being that stupid. Just too much work.

Carlos

July 7, 2009 01:07 PM

Western countries especially the U.S & U.K are the places which are harboring religious radicals and financial international criminals (Wall St) -
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/177/479665/text/ - http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1766851

Bharat_Rakshak

July 7, 2009 01:20 PM

Indian making fun of the Death Chinese in Xinjiang. He believe that all the death Chinese are just actors and actress with ketchup.
Follow this link and learn
about Hindu nationalist view
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2093&start=680
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Image of riot victim?

What with all that blood he is still the walking wounded..can't believe. All photo-shop and tomato ketchup. Look at his face, it is too calm and composed for the situation at hand.

This one is even less believable
There is a guy leisurely walking past the riot police, taking the law into his hands. :shock: The dreaded PLA thugs just watch on....or is this the new riot control strategy.

Bharat_Rakshak

July 7, 2009 01:23 PM

Hindu view on China recent development on Xinjiang.
Showing their true feeling

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2093&start=680

Bharat_Rakshak

July 7, 2009 01:25 PM

Post subject: Understanding the Uighur Movement-1
PostPosted: 07 Jul 2009 04:44 pm

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5012

muslim and proud

July 7, 2009 02:01 PM

It is very amusing and almost laughable, come on people I know u can show a greater deal of ignorance, stupidity and racism,,, come on with the prejudgments and prejiduce,,,,,, muslims are the reason of everything bad in this world....right......loool........every one who said any thing hatful and racist about Islam -or any other religion as a matter of fact - is either a complete blind idiot and consumed with ignorance about whats happening in the world,,,,or just a low life hypocrate using double standards,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Islam is a religion that over one billion ppl belong to,,,,,,,,,,and just like any other religion,,,some crazy and radical criminals use gods name to justify their action........this is news to the ignorant ppl lool,,,,,, every religion int world have carzy ppl using religion and god to hide their crazy and hatful ajendas...................WAKE UP PEOPLE,,, WHEN HUNGER STRIKES IT CANT TELL THE DIIFERENCE BETWEEN MUSLIM AND CHRISTIAN........WHEN A BOMB EXPLODES IT CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MUSLIM AND JEW...... THERE IS NO JUSTICE OR FAIRNESS IN OUR SOCIETIES,, POVERTY AND HOPELESNESS ARE ALL OVER AND PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING ....NOT GODS AND RELIGIONS...........CANT YOU SMELL THE STINK THATS COMING OUT OF YOUR MOUTHJS WHEN DISRESPECT ISLAM OR ANY RELIGION...........i told you its almost amuzing how ignorant you are,,,,go back to ur hatred and dwindle in it racist pigs....

G. Ibarreta

July 7, 2009 03:32 PM

It's not the evil people we should be troubled, it's the good people not doing enough to prevent them.

jigme

July 7, 2009 03:59 PM

its about time for Tibetan and Uighur to come together, and kick all chinese out.They dont respect local culture,religion and treats them asif, they are inferior,uncivilized. People of world, should know that, there's great unjustice taking place in china in places under occupation.

Rama

July 7, 2009 04:44 PM

China should stay out of India. The daily incursions to take the Indian land. We need to keep China in its place international rights. China has more population and it could pour into neighboring territories.

richard

July 7, 2009 05:50 PM

The ignorant people out there don't even know how China is oppressing the muslim chinese there. They won't even allow them to fast and if they do they go to prison. to all the muslim haters who talk crap.... please ask yourself when did u ever walk on the street and found a muslim man abusing you? Muslims believe in peace and respect towards all peoples, but only the ignorant think otherwise. Racist losers with no education, hearing one thing on TV and using it without having real facts.
Only time u hear of muslims being crazy is when they r defending a land that has been stolen or invaded by others.

I am also 100% certain that most chinese hate their own government but i am assuming it's usually the muslims who start to protest first because muslims rather die than live in shame and oppression. unlike most cowards out there who sit n judge the death of others as a psychotic act of religion. cowar

Ahmed

July 7, 2009 08:15 PM

I fully support C.H.Ng Comments,very beautful explanation,but only those people can understand who have got sense to know the reality.
Muslim can not be terriorest or sucide bomber as 1.7Billion muslim population of the world strongly belive "what comes around what goes around"
if someone does that kind of activities and keep the muslim name in frount than media should not blame 1.7billion muslim.
Islam is the name of Peace....Quran

Yaozai

July 7, 2009 08:35 PM

The majority have to protect the minority. The Xinjiang muslim minority must also benifit from China's economic prosperity. The Chinese gov't have an obligation to provide safety and welfare,jobs to ALL its citizens especially the ethnic minority. This is the only way to create a "harminous society." At the same time citizens whatever their grievences can't just roam the street murdering innocents-these people have to be brought to justice. but do show compasion.

Macrohost

July 7, 2009 09:08 PM

The protest should be peaceful and I strongly condemn the brutal killings of innocent people.

Muslim-not-issue

July 7, 2009 09:20 PM

I don't have anything againsts Muslims in general, except for the extremeist ones of course. But it is the hyporcisy and double standard prevalent in the US and Europe that is truly the most disgusting. The American government is setting free the 17 Uighur terrorists caught in collaboration with and having received combat and terrorist training from the al qaeda and Taleban. By American definition, only terrorism against the West or Israel count as terrorism. Terrorists against China are protected by the US for selfish geo-political reasons. Before the al qaeda attacked the WTC during 911, not only were they considered legitimate but were referred by many in America as "freedom fighters".

azim

July 7, 2009 10:38 PM

Well those comments are only from inbreds from the 3rd world. The international community pities India's starvation policies. Please understand that the Muslim brotherhood deeply condemn the mindless violence of the Uighurs.

Steven

July 8, 2009 12:25 AM

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Xinjiang_nationalities_by_prefecture_2000.png

There are reasons for the slower economical development for Uighur in Xinjiang:
1. Most of them live in more remote southern Xinjiang (see the map). China can only built railways to there in recent years.
2. China tries to keep their culture. They don't speak good Chinese. This makes them difficult in business.
3. Market economy put Uighur in worse situation. Before the reform, China had quota system that gave jobs in state-owned companies to Uighurs. But state-owned business in decreasing fast in China.
4. Xinjiang is not a Uighur only province. Some minorities even have a small population, but they have big lands there. Changji Hui Autonomous Prefecture (Hui people, 73,660 km2), Bortala Mongol Autonomous Prefecture (mongonian, 24,934 km2), Bayingolin Mongol Autonomous Prefecture (Mongonian again, 470,954km2), Kizilsu Kirgiz Autonomous Prefecture(Kirgiz, 72,468 Km2), Ili Kazakh Autonomous Prefecture(Kazakh, 56,381 km2), Altay Prefecture (Kazakh again, 117,699 km2). Han people dominate in northern Xinjiang in history. So, Xinjiang is not only Uighurs' land, but also many moinorities and han people's home.
5. Need think about it: So many minorities in one place, why only Uighurs are so aggressive?

Steven

July 8, 2009 12:43 AM

Many Americans know General Tso's chicken. But I never know we had this name in China. General Tso or Zuo Zongtang was a famous Chinese general in late Qing dynasty when China was at weakest point in history. He fought for part of Xinjiang from Russia after China lost it for 11 years. During KMT era, Xinjiang was also in China.

Praise Allah!

July 8, 2009 01:40 AM

The Religion of Peace strikes again! Woohoo!! Muslim brotherhood bringing more peace to the world. Even China.

rousseau chen

July 8, 2009 01:41 AM

Killing innocent people for whatever reason is not just wrong, it is a crime. So it is wrong for the Western world not to condemn the violence in Xinjiang. You can point fingures at Chinese government's policy regarding minorities, but you should not condone violence... It's a shame for the Western media and governments to act like what they are doing now... focusing on what they called the grievances and ignoring the killings as criminal...

Hong Kong

July 8, 2009 01:46 AM

Corruption is everywhere in China, it is the side product of monoploy of power in the hands of one party. The unrest in Xinjiang is partly blame to the Chinese government as the economic benefits are not equally distribute and channel to those who have good relationship with official.

Jason

July 8, 2009 02:34 AM

In England Muslims have everything and still they want more.

They have commited terrorist murders in London and won't be satisfied till they have the full Islamification of the UK.

C. H. Ng

July 8, 2009 03:22 AM

I think it will be to the best interest of everybody TO TONE DOWN THEIR WORDS OF ANGER & HATRED at this juncture where the senseless ethnic voilence is going on in Urumqi. It serves no purpose to vent your fury or hatred here which will only infuriate further & sow the seeds of violence.
If only everybody here can cool down and see the logic of reasoning, such stupidity as happening right now in Urumqi would not have started in the first place. If even if it does, it shouldn't have escalated to communal riots.
To those who are fostering acts of violence among your fellowmen, remember GOD teach us to love & respect each other, not to kill or hurt each other. You may not believe in GOD or religion, but what give you the rights to kill or maim another living thing? More so another human being? If you are doing what you are not supposed to do, it's better for everybody you don't deserve to be living among us. You belong in hell.

Elvis Esparza

July 8, 2009 03:43 AM

So many here on Businessweek are misinformed about China. Imperialism? Cultural Genocide? Racism? Colonialism?

For starters the area of Xinjiang (with Mongolia) has ALWAYS either being a part of China or has posed a threat to Chinese civilization due to nomadic barbarians (Xiongnu, Ruan, Turks, Mongols, & Tatars). Traditionally the Chinese were forced to pacify those regions via either outright conquest (Han &Tang dynasties) or punitive expeditions (Han, Sui, & Ming dynasties) to force them into vassal status, otherwise they had to "hold the line" so to speak by using the Great Wall. Today's PRC has decided on outright rule both due to its natural resources and so that is serves as a buffer region. Completely and totally understandable and in realpolitic terms justifiable. Since one of the ways to secure a territory is to settle your own people there (see the Romans, Incas, the United States, and of course Imperial China) the Chinese government is doing the same thing encouraging Han Chinese to migrate to Xinjiang (as well as Tibet - also for purposes of natural resources and to serve as a buffer region).

If you look throughout history the Han Chinese have NEVER committed genocide or massacred minorities due to their religious beliefs. In the history of the 2000+ year Chinese empire, ONLY when a foreign dynasty (the Manchu Qing) ruled where their massacres of religious minorities performed by the government. Native Han Chinese dynasties (Han, Jin, Sui, Tang, Song, and Ming) did NOT massacre religious minorities. In fact Daoists, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, & Muslims all lived in the empire and NONE were relegated to 2nd class citizens. Whenever a sect was persecuted it was NOT the worshippers but the religious elite (example Buddhist monasteries during the 9th century AD) and then it was due to them acquiring power and therefore possing a threat to the ruler. Last but not least the Han Chinese NEVER forced those who did not practice Daoism and/or Buddhism to convert to such faiths. Compare that to the history of Christians (forced conversions, burning at the stakes, Papal sanctioned crusades, persecuting heretics & Jews, Papal sanctioned enslavement of non-Christians, and religious wars) or Muslims (enslavement of non-Muslims, jihads, relegating Christians & Jews to 2nd class caste status, & persecution of Shiites or Sunnis).

The Chinese Communist Party is doing their best to bring prosperity to the citizens of China. While many of them are doing it for selfish reasons (either they want to get rich themselves and/or they are "bribing' the citizenry so that they stay in power), other members of the party are doing so for patriotic reasons. Regardless of their ulterior motives it is working as they have increased the country's GNP from hundreds of billions in the late 1970s to $4+ trillion, have brought several 100 million out of poverty, and elevated over a 100 million Chinese into the middle class. The People's Republic of China is now the world's leader in auto & steel production, 2nd place (and soon to be #1) in shipbuilding, the world's center in electronics production, a world leader in both nanotechnology & biotechnology, the world's largest solar cell industry, & has the fastest growing semiconductor industry in the world.

At this time Communist China has a high-speed rail network larger than Europe's and expanding. It is building a highway system larger than the USA's. The government has car fuel standards superior to that of the USA and is expected to produce more energy from any of the following three renewable sources(hydroelectric, wind, or solar) than the USA by 2020 and are building or planning to build 30-50 nuclear power plants. They are also self-sufficient in grains (and only import to feed their booming hog industry).

The fact is that while the Uighurs or Tibetans may NOT be benefiting as much as the Han Chinese, the fact is that they are benefiting as their standards of living are rising and they are becoming more educated. It is simply that being rural people (generally), living in the farthest & most remote regions of China, not speaking Mandarin (or any other Chinese dialect), & not using the Chinese writing system the struggle to adapt or take advantage of the opportunities out there in China. Of course the fact that there are separatist movements in both Tibet and Xinjiang, and that in the case of Xinjiang there is even a terrorist group has only WORSENED the situation for the Uighurs and Tibetans as it has increased China's distrust of the minorities in those two regions and therefore has exponentially increased the level of government supervision (or oppression) via laws and regulations that are not present in the rest of China which together with the larger than usual paramilitary presence in both Xinjiang & Tibet makes things more oppresive.

Last but not least it is funny how so many Muslims are claiming that the Chinese government is oppressing the Uighurs. This coming from a "world" in which Christians can't establish churches in Saudi Arabia, Muslims can't convert to other religions without being killed, Christian missionaries cannot operate in many Muslim countries without fearing for their lives, and Christians & Jews are restricted in many Islamic countries as to what the types of jobs they can have and/or where they can build temples. In addition you have Muslims periodically rioting against Chinese in Malaysia and Indonesia (burning property, assaulting and murdering Chinese, and raping Chinese women) with the backing of the Muslim governments and in the case of Malaysia you have Muslim Malays forcing the Chinese to pay a tribute of 30% of their businesses. Compare that to the Chinese trying to help the Uighurs better themselves via education, affirmative action in jobs, and even permitting them to have more than one child (compared to the Han Chinese).

How quick the Uighurs were to turn to violence and attack civilians with bricks, sticks, & knives. If it was the ethnic Chinese who did it in Malaysia or Indonesia they would have been massacred by the Muslim majority or the military, the PLA showed far more restraint. If it was Han Chinese who did it in China the world would have condemned it as ethnic cleansing against the Uighur minority.

Thomas

July 8, 2009 04:48 AM

Hong Kong:

Stop using the name of my city to spew ignorance on the web, since you represent nobody here other than your ignorant self. Corruption is everywhere in the world, not just in China. The situation is far worse in India, Thailand, the Philipines, Mexico and not that much better in the US. Economic benefits are never equally distributed anywhere, not even in Hong Kong and the US. Terrorists never need any reason to commit terrorist acts, they JUST DO IT!

E.Eliveld

July 8, 2009 08:23 AM

And yet another example of the religion of Peace...

C. H. Ng

July 8, 2009 09:44 AM

@Elvis Esparza.

Bravo Mr Elvis Esparza for your marvelous comment. You seem not only well versed on China's history but also know very well about the past & current situation in my country (Malaysia) and Indonesia. You must have been staying in this region to know so much on how the minority races (Chinese & Indian) are faring in the current situation.

To all those who are ignorant of the real situations as happening in China, Malaysia and Indonesia, this gentleman had painted the whole picture very clearly and truly. But I can't or dare not speak out further lest I might be charged under our country's dreaded ISA (Internal Security Act) where one can be detained w/o trial for at least 90 days for uttering what the government may consider it as a seditious comment.

To all Muslims out there, I can truly say I have totally nothing against your religion but sorry to say too, I agreed with most (if not all) of what Mr Elvis Esparza had put in his comment here. Nevertheless I urge all people regardless of their race or religion to live peacefully as one universe. This world we are living is big enough for all of us to live as human beings, not as animals. Even animals don't simply commit acts of cruelty and savage killing to their own kinds.

jason

July 8, 2009 10:57 AM

ughuirs have more rights then han chinese, have as much children as they desire, educational grants, priority healthcare and careers and freely practise islam however they still are not satisfied!!

Now they want independence..Just get the hell out. The police is very very very patient. They had already destroyed so much property and killed so many han chinese. If the chinese government was no so kind all of the protesters would be dead already.

lve

July 8, 2009 11:01 PM

@Elvis Esparza

very very rare we can have someone like you who understand this part of the world as opposed to the biased western media and their brainwashed readers. I'm truly impressed.

blackss

July 9, 2009 08:14 AM

I want to tell something western media will never tell.

That is: the chinese government is always trying to pleasure minorities.

That is why the minorities always enjoy more privileges (guaranteed by laws) than the rest Han chinese:
no family planning restrictions, much more university education chances and other lots of benefits...

To give a extreme example:
in china, there is a law called "Liang Sao Yi Kuan" protecting criminals who are minorities chinese.
So if conducting same kind of crime, the minorities chinese always get less punishments (even free of punishments) than the majority Han chinese.

What a stupid and ridiculous policy!

With the protection by the laws, minorities always feel free to defy the local government, policeman and feel free to bully even beat Han chinese.

The event in Xinjiang is a typical case.


heather

July 9, 2009 09:52 AM

@Richard

I can't believe people can shamelessly lie like that, muslims won't allowed to fast in China? Then what the hell are the muslins in China celebrate the Eid(marks the end of Ramadan) for? The han-Chinese living in Xinjiang even change the chinese word of "swine meat" into "big meat" to avoid speaking of the word "pig" in front of the Uighurs; the chinese national TV banned all the commercials with image of pigs in year of the boar(boar is one of the 12 traditional chinese zodiac signs); the university I went opened a special canteen providing halal food even when there are only a handful of muslim students; many uighurs can't even speak or read chinese because they are not obliged to learn the official language of China - and you are saying china "oppress" muslins?!!! Next time when you lie, make it harder to expose!

Andrew

July 9, 2009 12:51 PM

@ Elvis Esparza

You are so right -- guess you've spent many many hours on history and also have had some independent thoughts.

I doubt the conflict should be treated as a religous issue, i.e., Muslim vs Han. A witness has recounted that the mob will ask anyone they met in Uighur and those who cannot respond would suffer -- including a Uighur mute. I surmise this is indeed been agitated -- I doubt that the mobs are local, i.e., brough up in Urumqi. Urumqi has more Han Chinese than Uighur. I believe Uighur is not a people who can easily turn on neighbors and friends. Evidence seems to support this -- many mobs cannot speak Mandarin while most Uighurs in Urumqi can -- they need to do business. The mobs probably came from remote areas and they were prepared -- with long knives and gas at hand.

Andrew

July 9, 2009 12:58 PM

@Richard

Heather is right. The university I attended has a special canteen for muslim too. At one point there were only two people using it.

Li

July 9, 2009 08:06 PM

@Elvis Esparza

Well said, very educating. I wish more people can read your comments rather than those stereotype writing in the media(including businessweek).

Frank

July 10, 2009 03:23 AM

@Richard

I am 100% sure your are wrong cause I lived in China for over 30 years and most people don't hate their government.

Some people like them, some people don't like them. But few people hate them. Just like everyone in the western Country.

Please don't just image where you never lived there.

Paul

July 10, 2009 03:59 AM

Many kudos for Mr. Elvis Esparza's comprehensive and insightful assessment of the situation here. You are definitely a very knowledgeable person who says it better than many other posters. Please post more often here and on other forums.

Tommy

July 10, 2009 10:44 AM

What a shame to see brainwashed western people. and biased wester media. All u r doing is blaming china for whatever happens . One day if u see an innocent chinese being hit by car in US, I am sure u will say :"oh, he deserves it because he is a chinese. The driver did nothing wrong, because he is US citizen. " Haha. That's your stupid logic. What a shame as human being!

Tommy

July 10, 2009 10:50 AM

What a shame to see brainwashed western people. and biased wester media. All u r doing is blaming china for whatever happens . One day if u see an innocent chinese being hit by car in US, I am sure u will say :"oh, he deserves it because he is a chinese. The driver did nothing wrong, because he is US citizen. " Haha. That's your stupid logic. What a shame as human being!

GEGEWOO

July 10, 2009 04:15 PM

To Richard,
Show your evidence when you say the crap of "won't even allow them to fast" If you could not, stop saying it, or simply shut up.
You are "100% sure most chinese hate their own government", again, show your evidence, imagination can not be used as one.
"Muslims believe in peace and respect towards all peoples", are you saying 911? If you are trying to make joke, this is not correct place.

You only got one thing correct here, "Racist losers with no education, hearing one thing on TV and using it without having real facts.", unfortunately , this is very accurate description of yourself, looks like you do have some "education" to be clearly understand what you really are.

Hindu Nationalist

July 12, 2009 04:13 AM

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5012&start=200
Nations do not plan their geo-strategic issues on the basis of religious affiiiations!

Geo- strategy is based on national interest.

Pakistan and China are India’s adversaries. If they are cut to size, it will be in India’s interest.

China and Pakistan have maintained an “all-weather” friendship based on their mutual interests in protecting their borders against, and checking the influence of, their rival neighbor India. The concrete nature of their friendship can be seen in the opening in 1982 of the Karakoram Highway, a 500-mile-long divided highway that connects Kashgar in China’s Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region with Islamabad. China’s then-Deputy Premier Li Xiannian publicly stated that the highway “allows us [China] to give military aid to Pakistan.”

China considers Xinjiang indispensable because of its abundant natural resources and strategic location vis-à-vis Central and South Asia. Yet, maintaining and consolidating control over its “wild west” has been a historic and pressing concern for Beijing. Instability in Xinjiang arises from the Uighurs’ sense of spiritual, cultural, and political alienation, as a Muslim people of Turkic origin, from the officially atheist, Han Chinese-dominated People’s Republic of China.

China worried at the increase in the drug trade and influx of Pakistani madrassa trained Uighurs has curtailed the border trade and even closed the KKH for brief periods. Pakistan, under pressure from China, Pakistan closed Uighur settlements in Pakistan like in December 2000, the Pakistani army closed two Uighur community centers called Kashgarabad and Hotanabad that had provided shelter for Uighur immigrants in Pakistan for decades. Pakistan has rrested and deported Uighurs, and even killed Uighur terrorists.

Therefore, evidently all is not that well with China and Pakistan as we may well imagine.

The current Uighur uprising will make China even more suspicious of the Islamic connection with Pakistan since the autocratic regimes of the CAR are themselves anti any activity that can destabilize their rule.

It is therefore time that India covertly assists the Uighurs so that the situation become more untenable for China and then obviously they will be more repressive leading to other Islamic countries too joining Turkey in their condemnation and breaking of trade ties and more so, Oil, which engines China’s industries!

In this connection, it is interesting to note that when China threatened to dump three trillion dollars in US Reserves and convert to Euros and which would have led to the collapse of the US economy, the OPEC countries offered to shore up the US since they would also stand to lose!
http://www.rense.com/general74/report.htm

The Xinjaing Uprising will also be a lead for the Tibetans.

Thus, China will be in turmoil and all the dreams of being a stable and upcoming superpower will be on the hold!

The current uprising in Xingjian hence should not be seen in any religious light and instead should be viewed from the geo-strategic context.

Mohammed

July 13, 2009 10:52 AM

for everybody that thinks its the Muslims fault please forgive my brothers and sisters because there will be a time when in life theirs nothing left and your desperate. When all the anger in you explodes and u do crazy thing. learn about islam so u dont hate it

Mohammed

July 13, 2009 10:52 AM

for everybody that thinks its the Muslims fault please forgive my brothers and sisters because there will be a time when in life theirs nothing left and your desperate. When all the anger in you explodes and u do crazy thing. learn about islam so u dont hate it

Yunus Patel

July 15, 2009 03:31 PM

Islam has already taken root in China, it will prevail as the mainstay power in China, nomatter who or whom wishes to say whatever......!!!

The Ancient Record of the Tang Dynasty describes a landmark visit to China by Saad ibn Abi Waqqas (radiAllahu anhu), one of the companions and maternal uncle of the Prophet Muhammad (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) in 650 C.E. This event is considered to be the birth of Islam in China.

downhill

July 17, 2009 10:01 AM

The victor's sacking (raping the women, killing the rest, including the kids) has a long tradition in these people of nomadic descent. Read Attila the Hun (~400BC) and Timur (1400AD) on Wikipedia. Upon sacking Delhi city and killing 100,000 Hindus, "their women and children...become the spoil of the soldiers" (imagine for yourself what it means), he wrote "in a short space of time ... the sword of Islam ..."

downhill

July 17, 2009 10:16 AM

The Turkic tribes of the Central Asia had over the centuries invaded and massacred whole cities in the name of Islam. They massacred 100,000 at Delhi in the name of Islam, but really it was about the wealth and precious stones. When they came to Persia (today's Iran) and Arab, which were also under Islam, they massacred just as well. Search Turkic and follow all the leads on Wikipedia. Pleasure over the defenseless is their tradition.

downhill

July 17, 2009 10:26 AM

Our noble notion of a great man as someone who defend the vulnerable must not be taken for granted as a notion shared by all human races. The history and tradition across the Steppes of Central Asia are colored by sacking of whole cities, mass rapes of women, enslaving of children, murdering of brothers, betrayals and murders of allies, ... read it up. You won't believe what you find.

downhill

July 17, 2009 11:31 AM

In a dog-eat-dog, no-hold-barred world among the nomadic tribes, where nephews murder uncles over land, wealth, or women, integrity is for the weak, and Darwinian evolution ensures its extinction. Instead, skill at treachery enhances survival and thriving. Stop imagining these being your simple, down-to-earth mom-&-pop type from the Great Plain. The Steppes of the Central Asia has had more than 1,600 years of treachery and bloodletting. Unleash upon yourself and be their meat.

downhill

July 18, 2009 03:57 AM

Anyone still remember how the US funded the Afghan fighters' struggle against the Russians? And how they turned around to be fine hosts of the Al-Qaeda to hurt the USA? The northern Afghan warlord fighting the Taliban who got blown up by "friendly" reporters speaking his language? The centuries' feuds between the Iraqi's and their Turk tribal neighbors in the north? Muslims suicide bombers who blow up mosques and fellow muslims in solemn prayer? Deceit, betrayal, treachery has more than a thousand years' tradition among these people in and around the Steppes.

downhill

July 18, 2009 04:36 AM

The Wikipedia article on Ahmad Shah Massoud, the "Lion of Panjshir", tells of many fighting between factions, and the link of his death at the hands of Al-Qaeda to 9/11 two days later. I have high regards for Ahmad Shah Massoud the man. It is unfortunate for him to be born there, he is a gift to the people on and around the Steppes to have a beacon to shine their way forward to be decent human beings.

downhill

July 18, 2009 06:08 AM

A Turkic website, www.ozturkler.com, describes Turkic ethic in these words: "the human spirit for the ancient Turks: the feeling of superiority on the horseback from the other people ... The Steppe Turks ... accomplished these elements. The first one ...the feeling of superiority ... The second element ... desires for the establishment of dominion to the far and away horizons. The means that was required for putting this element into practice was under their possession: iron." How does this compare with our ethic of "equality, peace, and fairness"?

salma

July 18, 2009 11:12 AM

Sally,
yes ! Frank I bileve what you stated on your email, its true thouse people are jadge the country unever live there before exactly wrong.

J Prendergast

July 20, 2009 07:11 AM

Think Muslims are just murderers, they aint nothing to do with God (allah).

The world would be a better place without muslims (islam)

"A disturbingly large number of Muslims rejoiced at the news of 9/11. Men handing out free food and making the victory sign, women dancing and howling, children laughing, while the west angrily watched them in horrified disbelief."

Gregory

July 21, 2009 12:27 AM

Don’t be fooled by the "tolerant" face of Muslims you meet in the Western world today. Islam has historically developed in four stages: 1. Evangelism. 2. Consolidation of power. 3. Revolution 4. Islamic State. Muslims would love to see Canada and the USA become Islamic states but are only at stage one: Evangelism! Islam has not changed its methods since Muhammad 1400 years ago. Muslims are tolerant, when they are powerless, but this veneer of toleration evaporates when an Islamic state is formed.

Whether Salman Rushdie or Jerry Falwell, the religion of Islam was designed by Muhammad to kill those who criticize it.

I will be honest, Islam cannot live peacefully in any nation.

@Gregory

July 21, 2009 02:57 AM

Then why is the US harboring Uighur terrorists under the disguise of human rights in its territories?

downhill

July 24, 2009 08:19 AM

History has a way to repeat itself. And, what goes around, does come around. Recall how the Afghan fighters were funded, trained and weaponized by the US in the 1970s to fight the Soviets, and how it turned around to bite that hand during September 11, 2001. So it's Uighurs' turn do start the whole cycle over again ... next, 2040, maybe sooner? And Washington, D.C.? And nuclear warhead instead of airplane? What goes around, does come around. Be careful of what you sow. Don't forget this is an ancient civilization that takes nothing less than total dominion over all other races, and with "iron," in their own words (see earlier post).

downhill

July 24, 2009 08:25 AM

For this Turkic civilization, Islam is merely a cloak. Don't forget they came to Persia (today's Iran) and Arab nations and sacked (i.e. murder & rapes in the hundreds of thousands) cities that they are still not loved today in the Iranian and Arabic worlds. Don't forget this are the same stock of people who, along with the Mongols, ran amock into medieval Europe on the horsebacks and "iron" in hand. Don't forget when they sack Delhi, the city was under a Muslim ruler. Islam was merely a cloak. Thirst for blood (and "iron") is their true creed.

downhill

July 24, 2009 08:52 AM

The historian Movses Kagankatvatsi described thus when the Turkics sacked Derbent (a town in today's Russian deep south, but was Persia's): "like savage wolves, shamelessly threw themselves on the people and mercilessly cut them down in the streets and squares of the town. They did not even take pity on the children who hugged their slaughtered mothers, but sucked the children's blood like milk."

JN

July 25, 2009 07:37 AM

"Then why is the US harboring Uighur terrorists under the disguise of human rights in its territories?"--> USA is not harboring terrorists under any guise!,
@you are another 9/11 conspirator!

Yes, but islam is the religion of peace and tolerance,... hmmmmm

They do nothing good for others

July 26, 2009 02:40 PM

As to why are you all so hateful towards Muslims. Its so easy foir too many to just hate Muslims? ask yourself simply why ? has any Muslim done anything good for you? the answer is probably never .. right on! they care only about themselves and not manyothers.

downhill

July 29, 2009 12:44 AM

In www.ozturkler.com's own description of Timur the mass murderer: "After he defeated Yildirim Beyazid and burned Bursa in Ankara War, we cannot expect Ottoman historians to write in his favor. But now that it is centuries after the event, we can objectively consider the event. We will have expressed his greatness by depicting his identity without even mentioning about his period, being a conqueror, and what he did." We can objectively consider? Sure, no doubt. Greatness??

downhill

July 29, 2009 12:51 AM

And some more: "However, there are people trying to make Timur seem as a man with more sins than his deeds, and persecution more than his justice. They remind that he made towers of knobs, and burned cities." Now we know what deeds and justice mean in Turkic. The truth drools from the horse's own mouth.

downhill

July 29, 2009 12:57 AM

If that wasn't enough, try this: "Although Timur is known as a conqueror demolishing and burning everywhere, this is not completely true. He tried to remove the destruction caused by his armies in order to intimidate the countries he seized, and initiated improvements." Sure, kill a few hundred thousands, burn down their houses, take away their women and enslave their children, then start everything from scratch...call it improvement. Pretty impressive Turkic logic!

Look

August 11, 2009 05:06 PM

This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear God;

002.003 Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;

002.004 And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.

002.005 They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.

002.006 As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.

002.007 God hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

002.008 Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in God and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.

002.009 Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!

002.010 In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).

002.011 When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only want to make peace!"

002.012 Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.

002.013 When it is said to them: "Believe as the others believe:" They say: "Shall we believe as the fools believe?" Nay, of a surety they are the fools, but they do not know.

002.014 When they meet those who believe, they say: "We believe;" but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say: "We are really with you: We (were) only jesting."

002.015 God will throw back their mockery on them, and give them rope in their trespasses; so they will wander like blind ones (to and fro).

002.016 These are they who have bartered Guidance for error: But their traffic is profitless, and they have lost true direction.

002.017 Their similitude is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him, God took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see.

002.018 Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

002.019 Or (another similitude) is that of a rain-laden cloud from the sky: In it are zones of darkness, and thunder and lightning: They press their fingers in their ears to keep out the stunning thunder-clap, the while they are in terror of death. But God is ever round the rejecters of Faith!

002.020 The lightning all but snatches away their sight; every time the light (Helps) them, they walk therein, and when the darkness grows on them, they stand still. And if God willed, He could take away their faculty of hearing and seeing; for God hath power over all things.

002.021 O ye people! Adore your Guardian-Lord, who created you and those who came before you, that you may become righteous;

002.022 Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your canopy; and sent down rain from the heavens; and brought forth therewith Fruits for your sustenance; then set not up rivals unto God when ye know (the truth).

002.023 And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true.

002.024 But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is Men and Stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

002.025 But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (forever).

002.026 God disdains not to use the similitude of things, lowest as well as highest. Those who believe know that it is truth from their Lord; but those who reject faith say: "What means God by this similitude?" By it He causes many to stray, and many He leads into the right path; but He causes not to stray, except those who forsake (the path),-

002.027 Those who break God's Covenant after it is ratified, and who sunder what God has ordered to be joined, and do mischief on earth: These cause loss (only) to themselves.

002.028 How can ye reject the faith in God?- seeing that ye were without life, and He gave you life; then will He cause you to die, and will again bring you to life; and again to Him will ye return.

002.029 It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Then He turned to the heaven and made them into seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge.

002.030 Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."

002.031 And He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell me the names of these if ye are right."

002.032 They said: "Glory to Thee, of knowledge we have none, save what Thou Hast taught us: In truth it is Thou Who art perfect in knowledge and wisdom."

002.033 He said: "O Adam! Tell them their names." When he had told them their names, God said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I know what ye reveal and what ye conceal?"

002.034 And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: he was of those who reject Faith.

002.035 And We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

002.036 Then did Satan make them slip from the (Garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. And We said: "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."

002.037 Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

002.038 We said: "Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

002.039 "But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be Companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein."

002.040 O Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My Covenant with you, and fear none but Me.

002.041 And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

002.042 And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).

002.043 And be steadfast in prayer; practise regular charity; and bow down your heads with those who bow down (in worship).

Karl

November 3, 2009 12:48 PM

Some will dance, some will sing, some will 'Google', and others will 'Bing'. Now 'Bing' this- DR MANDELSTAMM OF KIEFF, and click on- 'Controversy of Zion' and read the passage entitled- 'The Talmud And The Ghettoes'. Read it 3 or 4 times, very slowly. Then 'Google' this- THE ASCENT OF MONEY PBS, and watch it on the web. Thank You.

Bush

November 21, 2009 08:27 AM

What about Chinese support to a terrorist country like Paki - land. They even supplied to nuclear weapons to it. If Chinese support Islamist terrorists in Paki - Land, they will get some in their home too!!!

C. H. Ng

November 22, 2009 11:12 PM

@ Bush:-

There are many countries other than China, or I would rather say governments or related agencies like the military departments, that are actually supported terrorist countries or groups all over the world. What these agencies are doing are to pursue their own agendas or self interests. Like for example when the CIA were earlier helping the anti-Russian groups in Afghanistan who many of them later turned to be what the Americans and western governments labelled them as Muslim terrorists.

By the way what & how do we defined a terrorist? To many of us if a person or group committed an act of terror by bombing & killing innocent people, he or she or the group is defined as a terrorist. What about a country or government which ordered its army or airforce to bomb & stike another country where thousands of innocent people are killed & caused mass destruction? ARE THEY NOT TERRORISTS TOO???

Anyway to "Bush", in answering to your comment, what goes around will comes around. For those of us who never kill other people just for the sake of killing, we can be truly classified as a non-terrorist. The rest?? I leave it to you (and other readers) to decide.

C. H. Ng

November 23, 2009 09:59 PM

Correction to my earlier comment:-

"Like for example when the CIA were earlier helping the anti-Russia groups in Afghanistan...." should read as :-

Like for example when the CIA were earlier helping the Afghanistan freedom fighters to drive the Russian forces out of their country but who many of them later became what now the Americans & westerners labelled them as Muslim terrorists (the Talibans).

Now many of the Talibans whom were originally from an ordinary anti-Russia group are now fighting back the coalition forces (their former helpers)to try to drive out them out so that they can form their so-called fanatical brand of Muslim government. This is what I meant when I said "what goes around will comes around" to @Bush.

Robert

December 11, 2009 04:52 AM

What a load of racist bigots on this blog...no wonder Muslims fight us when they are subjected to this disgusting tirade of insults every day. Muslim terrorists may kill a handful now and again WESTERN GOVERNMENTS KILL IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS and cant even make up their minds why they are doing it

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