Terror Attacks in Mumbai

Posted by: David Rocks on November 26, 2008

Finally, the shooting has stopped. Navy commandos, police and the army have gained control over all three flashpoints in this shell-shocked city: the Taj hotel was cleared just before sunset; the Oberoi hotel was reclaimed in the afternoon but not before as many as 24 guests were killed; and a final, prolonged assault on a Jewish community center ended violently, with five bodies found.

The death toll crossed 150, and with over 300 wounded in crowded hospitals, could rise further. The names of the dead were not released by the government, but the U.S. State Department said Alan Scherr, 58, and his 13-year old daughter, Naomi, both of Virginia, were among the casualties. At the Jewish center, a Chabad-Labovitch house, Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his wife were among those unaccounted for; reporters at the scene said some people, including two foreigners, were able to escape as commandos jumped onto the rooftop from helicopters and fired into the house from neighboring buildings.

Earlier reports of hostages being held, and terrorists specifically singling out American and Britons by asking for passports are borne out by witnesses, though many guests in the hotels hid in their rooms or in conference halls locked by hotel staff.

At a surreal press conference, where an unnamed navy commando covered his face with a black bandanna and dark sunglasses, details emerged of the 35-hour siege of the Taj hotel—the terrorists were well trained, said the commando, knew the layout of the hotel better than security forces, and for many hours played a deadly game of cat and mouse, moving from room to room and lobbing grenades at groups of guests trying to leave. At the Taj and elsewhere, as many as 14 security personnel were reportedly killed, including the chief of Maharashtra state’s anti-terror squad, Hemant Karkare, who was shot three timmes through his bulletproof vests.

The death toll from the Taj remains unknown, but is likely to be high; guests spoke of bodies and blood strewn across the lobby. As late as 4:30 in the afternoon, nearly 40 hours after the hotel was assaulted, shots rang out from its windows, according to television broadcasts, and hit three journalists, including an AFP camerawomen.

For two hours in the afternoon, frustrated by the live broadcasts of their assaults on multiple private television channels, the government cut out news channels across most of Mumbai and briefly deployed cell phone jammers.

Police reports said that the attacks were two-pronged – with up to 10 terrorists coming in on rubber dinghies from the Arabian sea, while others rented a home near the Jewish community.

Commandos found huge caches of arms, ammunition, Chinese-made grenades and foreign currency, credit cards from Mauritius, and food supplies. Indian investigators pointed the finger at Pakistan, based on the reported recovery of a Pakistani cell phone card, and an identity card of a Pakistani national. At least one terrorist has been arrested, but no details have been released of his interrogation, other than speculation from his manner of speech that he is Pakistani (Hindi, spoken in India, and Urdu, spoken in Pakistan are somewhat similar)

India’s Prime Minister called the Pakistani authorities, reported CNN-IBN television channel, and blamed Pakistan for the attacks, based on initial investigations. Pakistan’s foreign minister denied involvement, calling the perpetratrors “barbarians,” and promised that the chief of Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence would travel to India to help with the investigation.

At the Oberoi hotel, nearly 100 foreigners, some of them foreign airline staffers, were escorted out around 2 in the afternoon, but the dead included a Japanese businessman, 38-year-old Hisashi Tsuda. He was in the lobby of the Oberoi Trident Hotel checking in when he was gunned down, his employer, Mitsui Marubeni Liquefied Gas Co, said. Tsuda had arrived with a co-worker and five clients on a business trip that day, and was there to get a closer look at India’s liquefied petroleum gas market.

Most of Mumbai remained in shock; trains were deserted until early afternoon, traffic was light, schools and colleges remained close and rumors flew thick and fast, often aided by anxious coverage on television channels that chased every reported gunshot from location to location.

Updated 7:15 pm India time on Thursday, Nov. 27

From our Delhi correspondent Mehul Srivastava and Mumbai correspondent Nandini Lakshman:

Smoke continued to billow late this afternoon from the third floor of the Taj Mahal and Palace Hotel, the majestic five-star hotel in the poshest neighborhood of Mumbai. Nearly 20 hours after a group of armed terrorists attacked luxury hotels, train stations, a Jewish community center and a café popular with Westerners, the city remained in shock. The attacks have left more than 101 people dead and 250 wounded; those killed include six foreigners, 14 police officers including the Anti-Terrorism Squad chief, many chefs and the manager of the Taj. “It is horrible to see a beautiful edifice converted to a battle zone,” said R Krishna Kumar, the vice chairman of Indian Hotels, the Tata group company which runs the Taj.

Elsewhere in Mumbai, India’s commercial and financial capital effectively shut down. The city’s train system, which normally transports as many as 16 million people a day, was deserted, said a person who was stopped at a railway station from boarding a train by security officials. Financial markets shut, schools closed and most Mumbai residents stayed indoors, heeding a call from Maharashtra state’s Home Minister. Some flights were cancelled, and the touring English cricket team cancelled all matches against its host country.

Police, national security guards and soldiers sent to Mumbai from New Delhi were making slow progress, said Mumbai Police Commissioner A.N. Roy. “They are still cleaning up every room and searching for grenades and the injured,” he said. Six bodies were recovered from the Taj. “We are going to kill or nab the terrorists,” he added.

The coordinated attacks, which started last night in the swanky Colaba area in the southern tip of the city, included gunfights and bomb attacks which continued through the night. While news reports broadcast on Indian television had indicated that armed gunmen had held guests hostage, searching specifically for Americans and Britons, details remained unclear; one police official, who declined to be named, said it is possible that gunmen roamed the hallways while hotel guests hid in their rooms and conference halls.

Throughout the day, guests trickled out of the Taj, helped by the police, while at least one dozen explosions rocked the hotel. Elsewhere in the city, at the Oberoi Trident Hotel and the Jewish community center of the Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidic movement, hostage situations appeared to continue. Television reports showed scenes of panic, including footage of what seemed to be gunmen inside a hijacked police car raking a crowd with bullets. At the Cama Women and Children’s Hospital, gunmen shot people in the lobby and then had holed up on the fourth floor, firing at police, said a state government spokesman in a press conference broadcast on television.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh mooted the possibility of creating a federal agency to handle anti-terror responsibilities. “These attacks, probably with external linkages were designed to cause panic by choosing high profile targets,” said Singh in a statement to the nation. “We are not prepared to countenance a situation where the safety and security of our citizens is violated with impunity.” Without naming Pakistan, he said India would not tolerate the fact that neighboring countries were involved in these attacks. A previously unknown group, the Deccan Mujahideen took credit for the attacks in an email to local papers.

As Singh was on television, one of the terrorists who laid siege on Nariman House, down the road from the Taj and home to several Israelis and other Jews, was also speaking to a local Hindi channel. Imran Babbar, 25, who claimed he had worked with a multinational company, was in one of the apartments in Nariman House with five hostages. He said he wanted “the mujahideen held in India released, and only then will we release the people”.

The attacks come at a pivotal time. Local elections are ongoing in several Indian states, and in April the ruling Congress Party-led coalition government will contest general elections under intense criticism for its failure to stem terrorism and counter an economic slump that has seen inflation rage past 12%, industrial activity slump to half its normal rate and the once red-hot stock markets dropping to multi-year lows. Minister for Commerce and Industry, Kamal Nath, told Reuters that the attacks would not affect India’s economic growth. “This does not have an economic component,” said Nath. “(There will be) no slowdown in investment flows.”

But Mumbai’s stock exchange, which is close to the area of the attacks, was closed Thursday, and the Reserve Bank of India closed all trading in commodities, bonds and foreign exchange markets. If the stock exchange opens on Friday, it will likely see a significant fall, said brokers and analysts. That would repeat a historical pattern that is all too familiar in India, which has seen the most terrorist attacks of any nation other than Iraq, according to data collected by a private security think-tank.

The Mumbai attacks appear to be the one of the best orchestrated terrorist acts in recent times. Police sources suspect the terrorists were dropped by a large fishing trawler mid sea after sundown; they then sailed in a small fishing boat to reach the Gateway of India opposite the Taj. The boat was loaded with ammunition, and police sources said that they had found 8 kilograms of RDX explosives and hand grenades in the vicinity of the Taj. A naval ship, along with choppers and a coast guard vessel, has begun a search for the terrorists’ trawler.

Many city residents are angry about the easy entry of the terrorists into Mumbai. “The navy should be ashamed. A terrorist vehicle sails past their territory, and they don’t even know,” says the managing director of a leading American private equity company who was dining with some prospective clients at a restaurant near the Taj at the time of the attacks. But retired Admiral Arun Prakash says that the navy and the coast guards’ job is to secure the high seas, not the shallow waters of the coast. “The police should have set up a marine force in Mumbai to patrol the harbor and the valuable ground installations,” he said. “That’s not the navy’s job,” he says.

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Reader Comments

concerned indian

November 26, 2008 04:01 PM

Islam Strikes again...when will these muslims stop?

Mumbai, Nov 26, 2008: Several killed and many more injured in seven terror attacks targetting mostly foreigners' hangout places.

Assam, Oct 30, 2008: At least 45 killed (figure can change) and over 100 injured in 18 terror bombings across Assam.

Imphal, Oct 21, 2008: 17 killed in a powerful blast near Manipur Police Commando complex.

Kanpur, Oct 14, 2008: Eight people injured after bomb planted on a rented bicycle went off Colonelganj market.

Malegaon, Maharashtra, Sep 29, 2008: Five people died after a bomb kept in a motorbike went off in a crowded market.

Modasa, Gujarat, Sep 29 2008: One killed and several injured after a low-intensity bomb kept on a motorcycle went off near a mosque.

New Delhi, Sep 27, 2008: Three people killed after a crude bomb was thrown in a busy market in Mehrauli.

New Delhi, Sep 13, 2008: 26 people killed in six blasts across the city.

Ahmedabad, July 26, 2008: 57 people killed after 20-odd synchronised bombs went off within less than two hours.

Bangalore, July 25, 2008: One person killed in a low-intensity bomb explosion.

Jaipur, May 13, 2008: 68 people killed in serial bombings.


Hyderabad, Aug 25, 2007: 42 people killed in two blasts, at a popular eatery and a public park.

Samjhauta Express, Feb 19, 2007: 66 people killed after two firebombs went off on the India-Pakistan friendship train.

Malegaon, Maharashtra, Sep 8, 2006: 40 people killed in two blasts.

Mumbai, July 11, 2006: 209 people killed in seven blasts on suburban trains and stations.

Varanasi, March 7, 2006: 21 people killed in three blasts including one at a temple and another at a railway station.

New Delhi, Oct 29, 2005: 61 people killed in three blasts on the eve of Diwali.

Mumbai, Aug 25, 2003: 46 people killed in two blasts including one near the Gateway of India.

Gandhinagar, Sep 24, 2002: 34 people killed in the attack on the Akshardham temple

Chuck Gaffney

November 26, 2008 04:22 PM

I have said this a few times and I'll say it again; Trying to convince others that your imaginary friend in the sky is less fake than other people's imaginary friend in the sky has been a bane on human progression and world peace. Humanity needs to grow up in this day and age and realize that it is THIS life that we are in and not some supposed second one. Religious fundamentalism is a pathetic flaw in the weak-minded, easily-controlled psyche of many people. We are just observing yet another pathetic act from the Islamic part of this greater evil.

Indians should grow up

November 26, 2008 04:40 PM

Indians learn to respect and love each other. This is Indian's weekest part. They hate each other. They kill each other.

Midwest

November 26, 2008 05:02 PM

TO Chuck Gaffney:

Well said.

Fight religious extremism abroad and at home.

Lisa

November 26, 2008 05:12 PM

Wow,what a close minded view you have if you think it is all about religious fundamentalism. You might really want to take a closer look and study what the religions are about before you even think your smart enough to pass judgement. Do you think that you are really smarter because you are an athiest? I would really beg to differ from your pathetic flawed comments above.

David Lee

November 26, 2008 05:29 PM

Agree with Chuck Gaffney 100%. There is no better way to control a mass of people then telling them if they do what you say, they'll never die. It's shallow and it's dumb. And now, with world overpopulation causing countless environmental catastrophes, resources shortages and more... It's time the human race wake up from the dark ages.

Thomas

November 26, 2008 05:45 PM

@Lisa: prove those comments are flawed.

I'm no atheist, nor am I a member of the big 3, but I can care less who is interested in my religion. I simply believe in a higher being and leave it at that. Only a fool would try to explain such a force; we all lack the intelligence to do such. If more people in the world simply embraced they're own faith and worried less about others viewpoints on it this wouldn't have happened.

Now, explain how THAT is PATHETIC or FLAWED reasoning.

Opreativo

November 26, 2008 05:45 PM

Lisa, you're not far off, but you're not quite right. This is not all about religious ideologies. But, they do have a key part in it. Islamic extremist want one major thing; Political power-Led by their religious ideologies.

Yes, all religions try to teach about Love. But that doesn't meant all religious all loving and tolerant. What is a religion with out followers though? Like it or not, religion will have it's shameful characters. If the texts are so vague about certain issues and demand condemnation of people who do not follow...what are we to expect but to see "God Warriors"?

I am afraid America is slowly catching up with the idiocy religion seems to bestow upon people. Are religious folk idiots? Not all. Are they illogical and dense when it comes to reason, when arguing social debates that conflict with their God's view? Yes. Absolutely. Then comes the fascism and terrorism.

Fermi

November 26, 2008 05:53 PM

Lisa, I was about to respect your comment -and point of view for that matter- but then I read ".. your smart.." and "athiest", and I lost it! "you are" and "atheist" would have done a better job!

Sean Harrison

November 26, 2008 05:53 PM

marx, lenin, hitler, stalin, pol pot, mao, che guevera and many others understood quite clearly that this is indeed our only existence and they valued individual human life accordingly.

nayak

November 26, 2008 05:55 PM

Terrible news indeed and condolence for the family of the death people!
I wonder if this is related as retaliation for the Gujarat incidence in 2002 or the continuous in Khasmir independent movement. There are lot of separatist movement in India such as in Assam with the ULFA and the Naxal movement in 1/3 to 1/2 of the India territory. This is indeed terrible news.

gesche

November 26, 2008 05:59 PM

This attack serves to prove once again how inefficient and incomptent indian cops, cbi, ISI agents and commandoes...(duh!) are. The security is LAX and intelligence has been found wanting in dime a dozen blasts/attacks. The worst part is inspite of knowing the terrorist groups(who brag on tv, newspapers and other propaganda), the india juggernaut(NOT) is unable to do anything. In the spirit of outsouring, i think its best if INDIA outsources security and protection of the country to an external entity that can deliver safety and peace to the country without knowing the complexity of religion, agendas, political divides...etc.

Willy

November 26, 2008 06:12 PM

I concur! This isn't completely about imaginary people in the sky. No matter what these terrorist groups think they stand for, there's a lot more contributing to their madness than simply some historical tradition/belief they're trying to uphold.

Gabe

November 26, 2008 06:22 PM

What makes you think this had anything to do with Islamic extremism? Are you kidding me? You make up things that aren't even written in this article. This is about terrorism, not about religion. They are trying to disrupt society and create anarchy. The religion aspect holds no weight in people doing wrong things. They are two separate entities and you should keep them that way.

Oh, one more thing. What about the victims. Are you that selfish? Way to turn the spotlight around. Seems like you need to trade in some of your hate for empathy.

Joe Kohler

November 26, 2008 06:31 PM


Let's call a spade a spade. It is the Koranic teaching of the fate for non believers.
Dig deep enough into ANY mosque and you must connect with Islam raw. The so-called believers who will not follow the Koran will be treated just like the rest of us infidels.

Sam

November 26, 2008 06:32 PM

to: Chuck Gaffney

Your thoughts arecompletely biased and opinionated. Just because you believe in something doesn't mean it's right. Learn your facts before you go out and talk like you know everything.

Albert

November 26, 2008 06:33 PM

Chuck Gaffney: Your term "imaginary friend in the sky" is kind of saying: You do not know the truth, I am the one who knows it. This is funny, that is the same mentality as the fundamentalist groups. Respect and tolerance are the answer. Your comments do not help.

Abby

November 26, 2008 06:36 PM

Religion teaches peace.
It is the maniacs here and abroad that distort it.
What an ugly world!

meg

November 26, 2008 06:39 PM

To "Indians should grow up", like this only happens in India, the rest of the world just "loves" each other. Chuck Gaffney, you have no clue what you are talking about. These problems exist because of India has always been a very conservative country and they like to keep themselves that way, what they don't like is all the liberal influences on there children. Research your facts before you start preaching to the choir.

ken k

November 26, 2008 06:44 PM

so how many Atheists have committed plane hijackings and killed people just because they were not Atheists?

Chuck Gaffney

November 26, 2008 06:47 PM

@Lisa, I'm not an atheist. I grew up a devote Catholic at St. Gerard's church here on Long Island with my family being parishioners. I believe that there is a God. The problem with all religions is that they feel that in order for you to be considered "righteous" is to follow their rules. Common sense is the only quality you need to have the feelings of decency and respect for others. There is no reason to tag a specific religion to it for one is not needed to be kind and accepting. History has shown that religious fundamentalists have been the complete opposite of their very inner teachings. The very comment you stated is proof that I hit a cord and this evil anger for your belief in the unknown to be right. Too strong of a religious belief is practically an angry mental disorder that defies logic and common sense. People who are easily fooled into believing these very extraordinary, very human tales are moved to do many actions easily as well because they lack an identity and use religious fundamentalism as one.

kolled

November 26, 2008 06:50 PM

The point still remains people think one god is greater than another, or one group thinks that their ideas are better than someone else. Hence Lisa thinking Chuck has a "flawed" view or he is "passing judgment"... Perfect example. Lisa just isn't trying to blow up Chuck's house over it, yet.

Voice of Reason

November 26, 2008 06:51 PM

@ "Indians Should Grow Up" :
I really don't understand what you are saying, dude. There is a terror attack in Mumbai and you say that Indians should learn to respect and love each other. I suppose that, after 9/11, you must have said that Americans should learn to respect and love each other. So should Israelis, and the British. What the heck - terrorists ONLY attack those people who do not respect and love each other.

@ Lisa:
I do not know if Chuck is an atheist but that does not matter. You do not have to be an atheist to realize that religion has caused greater devastation and loss of life than anything else in the history of human civilization.

Voice of Reason

November 26, 2008 06:51 PM

@ "Indians Should Grow Up" :
I really don't understand what you are saying, dude. There is a terror attack in Mumbai and you say that Indians should learn to respect and love each other. I suppose that, after 9/11, you must have said that Americans should learn to respect and love each other. So should Israelis, and the British. What the heck - terrorists ONLY attack those people who do not respect and love each other.

@ Lisa:
I do not know if Chuck is an atheist but that does not matter. You do not have to be an atheist to realize that religion has caused greater devastation and loss of life than anything else in the history of human civilization.

Sanjay

November 26, 2008 07:05 PM

"Indians learn to respect and love each other. This is Indian's weekest part. They hate each other. They kill each other."

What kind of fishy comment is this?

As an Indian, I am outraged at these despicable attacks, and also angry at my govt for engaging in the kind of dhimmi appeasement which has only emboldened these predators to attack us again and again.

This time the terrorists are calling themselves "Deccan Mujahedin", and the last time they called themselves "Indian Mujahedin". The fact that they are going out of their way to brand themselves under local names makes me smell a rat. Their naming formula seems to be
"(Insert-local-name-here) Mujahedin"

So next time they'll call themselves "Mumbai Mujahedin", "Calcutta Mujahedin", "Bangalore Mujahedin", or "New Delhi Mujahedin", etc, etc.

I think that hardliners from Pakistan's ISI and also Taliban/AlQaeda types are behind these attacks, just like they blew up India's embassy in Afghanistan a few months ago, as corroborated by the CIA.

But ask yourself -- why would some local killers be so interested in US and British passport holders?

Well, we've managed to catch some of them, so we'll soon find out what's going on.

Prasanna Ratanjankar

November 26, 2008 07:30 PM

I am from mumbai and the situation here is that of chaos. I woke up in the morning to realise that Mumbai was not the same as I left it last night before retiring to bed. India's premier Hotel - The Taj Mahal Palace and Tower was the prime target of terrorists including other places. 12 blasts and gunmen rocked the city. Anti - terrorist squad chief police officers were killed in the clash with gunmen. Two terrorists were killed and 9 suspects have been arrested. Boats with ammunition have been seized. Attackers came via the Gateway harbour.

Twitter is actively covering the blasts, for live updates log on to:

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=mumbai

a twitter user in mumbai who stays in the area has shot pictures of the blast:

http://flickr.com/photos/vinu/sets/72157610144709049/

and they have also created a wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/26_November_2008_Mumbai_attacks

ANNA

November 26, 2008 07:47 PM

AMEN TO WHAT LISA SAID 100 TIMES OVER

gerold

November 26, 2008 07:49 PM


Actually Lisa, religious fundamentalism is one of the greatest threats to life on earth. Not just people, but all life. Fundies (whether they be Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu etc) are so full of intolerance and hate that they will commit the most heinous crimes with full faith in their own righteousness. That, combined with their highly developed ability to lie to themselves, makes them a menace to all.
Please get help.

Wow

November 26, 2008 07:58 PM

Wow, I can't believe a woman said something so intelligent. Nice job, Lisa. Yea, I would agree with my lady friend. Besides, an Athiest won't fight for anything so either way your opinion means nothing because you're the one getting shot next.

Ignorance is bliss

November 26, 2008 08:16 PM

to Indians should grow up

Iam not sure on what la la land you live. but you are really ignorant and idiotic. do you even know what and who did those atrocious things? U r one indeed one of those stereotypes...God save you..

Sarah

November 26, 2008 08:27 PM

i rekon lisa has a brain well done lisa that is so true i agree
until you either no all about whats going on i think you should shut ur mouth know one noes why this has happened everyone is just saying what they think there are lives at risk STILL and before you go saying stuff like that and makeing up stuff you should consider what itd do if it got around and outta hand
THINK OF EVERYONE AT HOSTAGE!!!!!

Repetitive Memory

November 26, 2008 08:33 PM

The blame goes to Indian government's inability to bering to justice, the culprits from 1993 Bombay blast culprits, 2006 train blasts culprits yet.
I remember 1993 bomb blasts were even more sophisticated.
The situation should be declared as 'war-alike'. Luckily the new president from Pakistan is more India friendly. India should ask to extradite the 1993 culprit.

Gargi

November 26, 2008 08:40 PM

@Lisa:

Athiest are smarter and matured because they question beliefs and not blindly accept it. They are open minded and have nothing against any individual. They do however dislike Religion and the fundamentalists.

I have friends across religions and not once did their religious background come in the way I get along. However, I really wish they get smarter.

Dejobso

November 26, 2008 08:42 PM

I was wondering how long it would be, before something like this happened, yet again.

jane

November 26, 2008 08:46 PM

These attacks are in the NAME of religion... but greed is usually at the root of all evil.

concerned

November 26, 2008 08:46 PM

Islamic religious extremism is responsible for the mess that is the world today. India is the biggest victim of terrorism. Any amount of intelligence cannot stop these sick people from carrying out the attacks.

Ak

November 26, 2008 08:59 PM

To Indians Should Grow Up:
Not sure who you are but I have a strong feeling you have no clue on what is going on and you too probably need to grow up.

Wisconsin

November 26, 2008 08:59 PM

You are all good people who want peace and harmony, do not forget your self when you see bad things happen, remember that for whatever the cause, action requires the individual to choose. The individual who fights for a cause cannot be right outside of compassion, therefore fight nothing outside of your own desires to harm others and all will see peace in you, see harmony in you, see happiness in you, see freedom in you.

Be happy.

Samuel

November 26, 2008 09:06 PM

Lisa, I have lived in India for 18 years now, and you need to be right here, at ground zero to see how things happen. I can clearly say that 90-95% of the riots and violence here is because of islamic or other fundamentalists going crazier than they already are.

Patel

November 26, 2008 09:10 PM

Well Done Media.. Like CNN IBN. They covers Full STORY. I have just watched the CNN IBN live on their website. They show the open firing, the injured people taken to the hospital.

BUT,...B..U..T, How the hell you are covering it. For covering the NEWS, these shameless people put the camera over the HEAD of Military people, who are helping out the proces... Pushing those Military/police people and making more work for them. Reporters are Rushing to the Injured People.. Just to take a Picture of they injury? Like They are a Monument?

If you see one of the footage, in which they show the terrorist are firing from the Police van. In the end of the footage, one person got injured on his hand and he was running here & there for help. The camera person sits besides him and covers this NEWS. Camera man moves this other hand, which is supporting the injured hand and try to Cover the FUll BLOODY HAND in his NEWS.

So, What is more important... NEWS Covering for the People sitting at HOME OR Helping the GUY suffering infront of You?

Does This Greedy NEWS CHANNELS have any HUMANITY in their Motto of Increasing TRP of their BRUTAL NEWS CHANNELS?

Rachel

November 26, 2008 09:21 PM

This is going to surprise you but i found that i agree with both Chuck Gaffney and Lisa. Religion is a major part of my life so i cant agree with the aesthetic opinions of Chuck but i do feel that radical Islam, is the cause of most of our problems. People need to visit the city of Sderot, Israel for one hour, or even just meet with one victim, to realize the horrors these people grow through simply because they dont agree with the Muslims. Instead of being so politically correct we need to fix this problem at the root. It may need to killl some people, but doesnt logic teach us to kill one person instead of letting them kill countless others. Everyone just needs to think about this.

Patel

November 26, 2008 09:24 PM

There is nothing like Religion. Illiterate and Literate people. these are the only Two religion. Nothing else to say... everyone can understand this fundamental. Politian in INDIA? Most of them are not successful businessman/Bachelor Degree Holders. They have Nothing individually done in their life. They come in to power, because.. ohh!! my father is Politian...ohh!! my uncle is Politian... I would favor Hitler is better than current Congress Government in INDIA.

They are not taking any serious action against these MURDERS, Because..Congress Government is greedy about the VOTE BANK of this Minority Community in INDIA. The ELECTION is due in March 2009. I am just asking for proper Action against these Murders.

James Mason

November 26, 2008 09:24 PM

The comments here by, yes I am pretty sure, Americans display their usual lack of understanding of global politics. Too much exposure to bible bashing and not nearly enough to world affairs. The age of Dub-ya is now past folks. Get with the Obama program.

Yags

November 26, 2008 10:03 PM

Lisa, I don't think he means that religion should be abolished. Just religious extremism that many of these deaths.

Wintermute

November 26, 2008 10:04 PM

Lisa: How is that a close-minded view? It is a true fact that killing in the name of religion has been a serious bane on humanity for...well since forever. What Chuck is lamenting is the fact that religion has the inate capacity to create fundamentalist thought. As moderns we must all have tolerance and compassion towards everyones thought, however when ideas become fundamental then militant - this is unacceptable.

This is not to defend atheism nor religion, it's a call for tolerance and peace across all boards. Passing judgement on those sub-units of religion that don't abide by tolerance is 100% acceptable in my books. As for your call to understand religion, this is also necessary however to understand it for the sake of declaring it permissible is definitely not the tact any individual should take.

I think Chuck, Midwest and yourself should be declaring not religion or lack of it at fault, but the lack of tolerance in general.

Amreesh Soni

November 26, 2008 10:12 PM

I'm indian and i totally support Lisa . Indain doesn't hate each other instead we have been a good example of love and brotherhood. We have always wants peace and good relationship with the rest of the world. But due to some falsey people who want to divide people on the name of religion you cannot blame the whole india.Taking a example we always have been in peace making with pakistan but what can we do if we didn't get any support. Indai is now at the stage where he has shown to the world what we are and where we are..please have a look on the issuue before coming to any judgement..Thanks An indain Amreesh Soni

Get better

November 26, 2008 10:14 PM

Althouhg I have great sympathy for Indian people, India goervenment's resposne to this attach looks quite pathetic! This is no way a wolrd super power!

GS

November 26, 2008 11:02 PM

There is two religions. Muslims and Khafir or non-muslims as far the muslim world goes.
I understand that there is only a few people from this religion that get involved in these killings and the entire muslim community has to take the blame.
However these days if you look at it worlds trouble spots i.e. Afghanisthan, Pakisthan,Iran,Iraq,Indonesia, India to name a few are countries where these terrorists are causing havoc in the name of religion.
These hate artists do not have the balls to come out in the open and declare war but like cowards attack on the back and claim to be martyrs.
Indian government and its billions will soon forget this atrocity and wait for another incident to occur in a month's time.
To all those people who helped Gujarath's Godara incidient be a succes should get back to teach these hate mongers a lesson. Do not rely on the government to support.

susan d

November 27, 2008 12:15 AM

The problem is not religion but religious dogma that says my god is better than your god and my way is the only way to salvation so you convert to my religion or else! This is the general character of monotheistic religions although some polytheistic religions too have started to show this flawed character to combat other religions.

Time to reform all relgions that say, "My or the highway". Unless this is done, you will continue to have crusades by various religions till kingdom come.

LOL

November 27, 2008 12:19 AM

Chuck Gaffrey please go to Haiti and get possessed by the demonic spirits through voodon and When that happens call on the name of Jesus to be freed. You want physical evidence then go get evidence I dare you!

Megh

November 27, 2008 12:20 AM

@Chuck Gaffney:
Well said mate. I agree with you completely.

@Lisa:
I have nothing but contempt for your sanctimonious and preachy views.

rosemary

November 27, 2008 12:21 AM

This is not about India, this is not about the ability or inability of any particular government to handle terrorism. This is not even about any particular religion. This is a global scourge and anyone can be the next victim. It cannot and will not be solved unless we stop standing and watching our neighbors' houses burn and together try and nip all fundamentalism whatever denomination at the very outset .

@concerned indian

November 27, 2008 01:03 AM

Your long list of Indian Muslim violence (presumably against Hindus) is informative. It shows that today tragic event is just another recurring event of Indians killing Indians. Besides, the list is only half complete, because it omitted the equally gruesome events of Hindus killing Indian Muslims and Indian Christians. Most of Indian Muslims and Christians (or their ancesters) were once lower-caste Hindus or Dalits (untouchables), The Upper-caste Hindus dispise them from the guts, and hates them even more for converting to another religion. Investigations into recent bomb blasts in India have led to the arrest of several Hindus and for the first time ever, a serving officer of the Indian army. This is a major escalation and a very bad omen for India. The arrests have triggered heated debate on whether the arrests indicate the existence of "Hindu terrorism". More worryingly, the probes point to the possibility of the hitherto secular and apolitical Indian army being infected by the communal virus.

sarah

November 27, 2008 01:03 AM

The power of religion is so huge.But religion should be peaceful.It is bad to make an attack on innocent persons in the name of religion.

sarah

November 27, 2008 01:04 AM

The power of religion is so huge.But religion should be peaceful.It is bad to make an attack on innocent persons in the name of religion.

Sam

November 27, 2008 01:18 AM

@Sanjay:

You are in self denial. India has a real internal problem. There are a long history of communal violence, religeous violence, tribal violence, and other forms of violence. Fact is, modern day India was created by the British Empire, it would never have been one country without British conquering all those little kingdoms.
There is no point pretending Indiam Muslims love India, they are dwelling at the bottom of Indian society. They are not Indians by choice. There is no use pretending Pakistan or Bangladesh or some other country is behind all the muslim violence in India. How do you propose to blame all those Hindu violence against Indian Muslims and Indian Christians and all sorts of other violences. Face reality, or you will never solve the real problem.

Peace lover

November 27, 2008 01:29 AM

All I can do is sob at the events that have happened. I just can’t understand these terrorists. What motivates them??

As I go through all the news, I hear John Lennon’s words… “Imagine there’s no countries.. It isn’t hard to do… nothing to kill or die for.. and no religion too.. Imagine all the people.. Living life in peeeeeeaaace…. You may say I’m a dreamer… but I’m not the only one”.
:`(

A K

November 27, 2008 01:32 AM

I think Lisa has religious fundamentalist mentality. I myself believe in God and pray whenever I get chance. But whats wrong if somebody else does not feel the same way I do?
She is calling others atheist, pathetic and flawed etc. This is the same kind of intolerant mentality these terrorists have. They can not stand somebody differing to what they believe is true. Only thing is Lisa is using computer and the terrorists are using guns.

VB

November 27, 2008 01:37 AM

It is a sad day for me, my country and the world. It is sad to see how terrorism has become a part of people's daily life in Indian cities. Over the last few years, several Indian cities have come under terrorist attack. In the last 12 months we have seen similar attacks in Mumbai (Bombay), Delhi in September and Ahmadabad in July. All of these attacks were owned by fanatic organizations getting external funding but having local presence.

For the first time terrorism in India has surfaced with a face. In all earlier occasions the acts of terrorism involved planting bombs at crowded places but this time terrorists used indiscriminate firing to kill people. A group called Deccan Mujahedeen has taken responsibility for the attacks. The fanatic terrorists clearly are not worried about the consequences - not only for the public in general but also for themselves. I wonder if they don't really worry about themselves or are they sure that the Indian legal system will not be able to deal with them because of the long process and the so called human rights movement!

Another key difference from earlier attacks is that some of the target places were five star luxury hotels - The Taj and Oberoi. Terrorists are holding up foreign tourists staying inn these hotels. During the incident The Taj caught fire and is still burning. Taj was built in early 20th century and has been a landmark in Mumbai ever since.

Personally I am saddened to see visitors to my country suffering because of this dastardly act. Traditionally India is a society where we give the same respect to our guests as is given to our gods and we believe that it is our duty to take care of our guests even if we sleep hungry. Needless to say the terrorists have been successful in once again bringing the world’s attention to India.

I am sure vibrant Mumbai will come back to a normal life and some day the world will find a long term solution to terrorism. I hope that the government and the security establishment will take the necessary steps to ensure that there are no recurrences.

My condolences to the people who lost their near and dear ones. I sincerely hope that the children who became orphans today or the parents who lost their children will not turn to embrace terrorism.

A K

November 27, 2008 01:38 AM

I think Lisa has religious fundamentalist mentality. I myself believe in God and pray whenever I get chance. But whats wrong if somebody else does not feel the same way I do?
She is calling others atheist, pathetic and flawed etc. This is the same kind of intolerant mentality these terrorists have. They can not stand somebody differing to what they believe is true. Only thing is Lisa is using computer and the terrorists are using guns.

Unbiased

November 27, 2008 01:44 AM

Organized and misled followers of Islam, as per their scriptures and in the name of Muslim "brotherhood", have always despised the "infidels". They have invaded, terrorized, plundered and destroyed for centuries, again as per their scriptures. Hatred is their driving force. What else is new?

Charith

November 27, 2008 01:52 AM

Blame it on the Indian government, it failed again and again. The terrorists can strike anywhere and anytime they like.

The reason: vote-bank politics. The Congress party wants to please the muslims by being soft on Islamic terrorists, while the BJP/VHP/Bajarang Dal wish to please the right-wing hindus by killing christians.

India needs a new political order, which is above all religions and party lines.

Greg

November 27, 2008 01:53 AM

@Chuck Gaffney: Chuck, you really need to stop using absolute statements. "the problem with ALL religions..." You clearly don't do that much studying of religions. Many buddhists teach acceptance of other beliefs. In fact, the reason buddhism caught on so well in Japan was it's maliability. Shinto was the established belief system and yet the two are today tightly integrated and co-exist quite nicely. I think you have a point that is valid, but it's burried down under a level of arrogance I don't think you realize is comming accross in your postings. Good luck man.

Prasanna Ratanjankar

November 27, 2008 01:56 AM

My cousin is a police officer...he's at The Taj right now. A bullet grazed his arm...he's still working there...

Piyush

November 27, 2008 02:25 AM

Guys,

I think the bigger problem is the lack of "realization" and enough "motivation" amongst the political leaders to actually resolve the problem of terrorism.

Why lack of Motivation ? Well the answer is simple what motivates them is money and power and not duty. Isn't it true. Aren't they highly motivated to keep their supporting political parties happy and motivated and by the time it comes to being motivated about resolving real problems for which they have been elected they are already out of motivation.

An act of terrorism takes place, and in few days everyone forgets about it. WHY? Intruder is well aware of the weakness of our control system aka. government and is taking a very good advantage of it.

They might say...well if you think it's so simple come and resolve it. My answer to that is I don't say it's simple but prove it to us what efforts have you made to resolve the issue and show us the motivation you have for really resolving it....we are not a nation of fools.

Developing strategy and a team to work and then putting it on the back seat of top concerns is absolutely unacceptable when it comes to resolving something hurting national integrity every few months. WAKE UP for god sake..!!! Nation is crying for your help.....REALIZE YOUR DUTY !!!

Piyush

November 27, 2008 02:35 AM

Why is every one beating around the bush and fighting over religious beliefs. Though there is a freedom of speech but please think is that the solution to the current problem ? can you change someone's religious belief ? What needs to be understood is what is ethical and what not ?

To that, I do agree by "CHUCK GAFFNEY" while he mentions "Religious fundamentalism is a pathetic flaw in the weak-minded".

It's a bigger question of integrity and ethics which all religions teach....but they don't guarantee correct interpretation for all.

PRAVEEN

November 27, 2008 02:37 AM

The callous Maharastra ATS should now stop jumping in joy as they were doing after labeeling some Hindu religious figures as terrorists.Now there capability is known to the common people,its officers who implicated the Hindus should answer the nation for thier failure this time or else they should sacrifice their life for the nation....leave the country hopeless ATS,atleast common people will get rid of these callous lot.

Aamir Jan

November 27, 2008 03:01 AM

This unending wave of global terrorism is spiralling into bigger, bolder, and increasingly outrageous acts of violence. Instead of pointing fingers at each other, we should be putting our heads together to understand the root causes, and then take proactive steps with a collaborative approach to remove or reduce those root causes, as far as possible. Otherwise, everyone of us will end up living in constant fear.

thay singh

November 27, 2008 04:13 AM

It's never about religion as such. It is *always* about economics. Religion just provides a framework for figuring out who you can trust.

And it's deeply flawed for that purpose.

Aaron Bushi

November 27, 2008 04:27 AM

That is so brave of him. These are the true sons of a nation.

Shashank

November 27, 2008 05:30 AM

I mean why have we become so indifferent. We,as the citizens of india, if become indifferent, then its not good. But when the people whom we appoint to protect us, to protect our country become indifferent, then it becomes a serious matter of concern. And this is what is grappling our beloved home minister shivraj patil. But he alone should not be made the scape-goat, we have to look at our seriously flawed security systems which time and again have proved to be inefficient. But yeah knowing all this, the home ministry should have taken some steps, which unfortunately he didnt, so I think its high time we show the door to Mr. Patil and appoint someone who has courage, conviction and most of all the will to fight against terrorism, which again Mr. Patil lacks.

Concerned American

November 27, 2008 05:36 AM

If you are not Indian, you have no damn idea whats going on there and have no right to say anything or accuse anyone or any religion for that matter.

First off, whatever happened is tragic regardless of who is behind it.

I agree with Mr. Thay Singh above. its about politics, culture and economics. NOT religion. Religion is only hijacked by a select few as a tool.

ALL you haters PLEASE do not blame or attack any religion where it be Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc.

shashank

November 27, 2008 05:43 AM

I mean why have we become so indifferent. We,as the citizens of india, if become indifferent, then its not good. But when the people whom we appoint to protect us, to protect our country become indifferent, then it becomes a serious matter of concern. And this is what is grappling our beloved home minister shivraj patil. But he alone should not be made the scape-goat, we have to look at our seriously flawed security systems which time and again have proved to be inefficient. But yeah knowing all this, the home ministry should have taken some steps, which unfortunately he didnt, so I think its high time we show the door to Mr. Patil and appoint someone who has courage, conviction and most of all the will to fight against terrorism, which again Mr. Patil lacks.

Vinay

November 27, 2008 07:28 AM

I agree with Thay Singh.This has nothing to do with religion or with Islamic ideology. Islam does not teach one to kill the other.All men are equal and have their own right to make their decisions.Then why this act of terror on ones own nation? Why all this act of violence?

Simon Richardson

November 27, 2008 07:46 AM

@sam

So the Mughal Emperor Jalaluddin Muhammad Akbar (Akbar the Great) was British, was he?

"All those little kingdoms" were conquered a century before the Dutch arrived, and the British came after the Dutch.

The dynasty that united India in the 16th Century was moslem. It was also tolerant of other religions: much more than Europe at the same time.

Michele

November 27, 2008 07:58 AM

There is one thing lacking on this earth the one thing that we all know and understand It been said since the beginning of time ... The age old LOVE has no religion no colour no creed ... It respects all living things ... Nothing can justify killing a living thing ... The whole earth needs to re evaluate WHY they are here Im no religous freak ... But understand the fundamentals ....

suresh wadkar

November 27, 2008 08:19 AM

The best way to fight terror is to go about your normal duties.The terrorist will lose his ability to arouse terror if you do something as practical as wiping out the bloodstains on the floor donate blood dispose off the dead console relatives,and go about doing your duty.Mumbai has to resume its commercial activities tommorrow after this enforced holiday.There is no time to grieve .We have to Show the bunch of madcaps that we are not going to be cowed down.

taj

November 27, 2008 08:28 AM

hey RACHEL u dont have rights to blame islam in any way

DW Man

November 27, 2008 08:35 AM

Existance of god is The biggest "LIE". Stop preaching about any god. Start learning and preach about humanity.

Ideologies are teaching humans how to be healthy(disease free) and active and loving and those never mentioned the existance of god.

Let us erase the word god from any dictionary.

Let us all love each other. This world is ours.

Imagine

November 27, 2008 08:59 AM

This is the horrendous act of cowardness and baseless hatred. These terrorists are cowards. They attack civilians. If they have guts, they should fight soldiers openly.

India is home to one billion people. If something happens to democracy, this whole world (even terrorists) cannot afford angry Indians. This earth will become a living hell. Terrorists and their supporters will also burn in that hell.

Bombay

November 27, 2008 11:39 AM

Our human society is not clearly different from other animals when it comes to the instinct for power, domainance and security. On that light, Aren't all religions and idealogical propaganda merely the human inventions trying to achieve their goals? Goals maybe are different, but the tactics are all the same.

MP

November 27, 2008 11:55 AM

Could it be that the main purpose of these terrorist attacks is not to create mayhem, but to increase domestic security? To what extent, is the next question? Perhaps if such events are recurring enough, the state will be forced into a police state where individual freedoms must be traded in order to increase security. And once certain freedoms are destroyed, perhaps the people will revolt? Voila, the collapse of a nation.

Mr. Bush moved in this direction by loosening rules on eavesdropping, torture, and prisoner detention, among other things. Luckily for us, we have a strong system that can allow us to kick him out. The same cannot be said about countries with less developed or younger democratic frameworks, especially those plagued by corruption where the system can be manipulated a lot easier.

If a regime can not be completely replaced (as is currently happening in the U.S.) in a peaceful manner, then the seemingly unlikely scenario above suddenly appears plausible. This is why democracy is important in the Middle East and Central Asia, especially in those countries with authoritative governments like Iran.

Sam

November 27, 2008 12:15 PM

@Simon Richardson

Read your history map when you read history. Akbar's empire even at its most powerful only rules northern India. In fact, no Indian empires/kingdoms/sultanates ever ruled both northern and southern Indian subcontinent at the same time in history. In fact, no empire ever rule the entire southern India because of more challenging terrain. While northern India has been conquered and ruled by the Turks, the Persians, the Arabs establishing different empires/kingdoms. That's why India has such complex intractable social, racial, religious, lingustic problems. It is like 50 Yugoslavia packed in one uncomfortable 'Union'.

Unknown

November 27, 2008 12:31 PM

Everyone should respect and accept each others beliefs, religion or no religion. Extremists give some religion (especially Islam) a bad name. I personally respect everyone's beliefs, but not extremist views. It's outrageous. It's not right. Dying in the name of your Religion by taking the lives and hurting others just doesn't make sense. This was confirmed never taught in all Religions nor mankind/humanity.

Unbiased

November 27, 2008 12:31 PM

Rachael, you are absolutely right. It is survival first. The religion of those who kill innocent, unarmed civilians is of no consequence. However, historically, is it a coincidence or is the hatred spelled out in their scriptures? Who cares! If they keep killing, as they have been doing, they too deserve to be killed. What has anyone's religion got to do with it?

IN UR FACE

November 27, 2008 12:51 PM

LISA -THE WORLD AS YOU WOULD LIKE IT ISN"T WHAT IT SEEMS

DW MAN THERE IS A GOD--IT"S SO SAD THAT U HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT YOU ONLY GOT HERE BECAUSE UR PARENTS DECIDED TO HAVE YOU

Rick Hendricks

November 27, 2008 02:26 PM

This is not Indian against Indian. It’s Islamists closely tied to socialist ideologies, trying to tie their religion to political power. And not fighting them (read their fatwa) invites more terror attacks, because they view appeasement as a sign of weakness.

Marx, Lenin, et al, had no respect for life: the killed millions to force their politics on populaces.

Sean

November 27, 2008 03:07 PM

Focus has shifted to India’s success – economically and socially. India is advancing economically, which is making neighbors’ envy. Second is the strong strategic partnership with US/UK, which making not only making terrorist worry but also neighbors worry. India needs to be stronger internally, as these events and threat will come along many times as India progress.
On religion part – India has many religions (some of them may be not know internationally) – yes this is up to the citizens of India to realize that external & internal political forces will play the game of divided and rule for there mere benefits. But on the other day this incident as we know till know has external hands.
What India should concentrate is on security and provided education to One Billion people (it’s not easy, but if this is done – envies will eat there on feet)

Karl

November 27, 2008 04:23 PM

I'm glad I live in America!! The terrorists over, here who wear suits & ties, only FINANCIALLY INJURE people. They don't physically harm us like over in India & other parts of the world, huh??????????????????????? 'terrorist' (definition) - an appalling person or thing. (end) Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary.

Grow up Indians

November 27, 2008 04:49 PM

Indian society is filled with anger and hate. Hindu Indians murder christian missionaries. Tamil Indians assasinated prime ministers. Tamil Indians rampage Sri Ranka. Hindu Indians massacred Muslim Indians. How can Indians have peace in this kind of culture. On record, India is one of worst incubators of terrorism. Just look at UK airport suicide bombers! Indians should learn to respect and love each other. Until then countries should deny visa applications to Indians. They are threat to peace.

KS

November 27, 2008 06:26 PM

@Sam...You are another of the breed of ill-informed, know-it-all westerners. You bloody well have absolutely no idea of Indian history - just shut your mouth up please - don't rub salt into the wounds of Indians in their moment of grief. India has its own set of internal problems - tell me of one country that doesn't. We have been crying our throats hoarse since the late 1970s about Pakistan sponsored terrorism. The world laughed at us - said it was an India-Pak affair. Not just that, the US continued to assist the military regime in Pakistan and most of that money was funnelled against India. And, where do you read your history notes?

Nagendra A

November 27, 2008 06:52 PM

We Indians Love Freedom and Trust Humans. This is act of In-Humanism
"who ever it is". They Should be Caught and Punished "where ver thay are"

Very Clear Human Race is Changing.

"WORLD" - We better act fast before
World turns Ugly and a Place we all will Hate to Live.

raymond wu

November 27, 2008 06:56 PM

mumbai is a beautiful and historic city, the people there are very gracious especially the poor. It sad to see destructions and barbarism inflict upon mumbai. mumbai will pull through.

Super Hornet

November 27, 2008 07:12 PM

Religion is a set of beliefs and values system. Isnt Atheism another 'religion' then ? What's important is for all people to agree to disagree over their own religion and not resort to killing each other to live out their religion and live in peace with all man.

Super Hornet

November 27, 2008 07:28 PM

Religion is a set of beliefs and values system. Isnt Atheism another 'religion' then ? What's important is for all people to agree to disagree over their own religion and not resort to killing each other to live out their religion and live in peace with all man.

Saiba Ben chod

November 27, 2008 07:29 PM

No prizes for guessing which 'ideology' is behind this attack.

Imran

November 27, 2008 08:07 PM

Terrorism has not helped anyone EVER! And for everybody’s sake, one more time - TERRORISM DOES NOT HAVE A RELIGION!!! Like the recent developments of ‘HINDUTHVA TERRORISM’ does not mean anything. Just because some people are terrorists, the whole religion cannot be blamed for it. The people (or government) who/which motivate(s) such activities should be brought to the law and punished, be it the pakistan goverment’s (alleged) role in terrorism in Kashmir or Osama Bin Laden and his AlQaida, killing innocent people or be it American government’s arrogance of sending troupes and killing innocent people in Afganistan and Iraq for its personal agenda (read oil and revenge).

But an interesting development in today’s attack was the assasination of ATS chief, who was also incharge of the Malegaon blast and consequently the ‘Hindutva Terrorism’ tag. Is this an act by some political parties with some personal agenda trying to distract attention from the investigation of Malegaon blasts, by creating a terror attack and creating a new terror outfit ‘Deccan Mujahideen’!!! (Probably inspired from the latest movie , ‘Body of Lies’ and the CIA tactics). Let me reiterate the fact, ‘TERRORISM DOES NOT HAVE A RELIGION’. The reason I reckon a theory like this could be true is because a newz channel reported the authorities having traced a call where the person on the phone said, “…we got the Addnl. commissioner as a bonus!”. Well was this a concentrated drama to distract the world’s attention?? Some points to ponder.

I am a muslim, and I am proud to be one. But there is something that needs to be addressed. Rather than the whole world being reactive, let us all for once be proactive. What we need to do is go to the root cause of this evil. Why do young people of 20-25 age group so easily brain washed, ready to blow themselves up? There needs to be a good reason and there is!

When your near and dear ones are being killed (be it pakistan sponsored terrorist who anyways kill innocents or indian army or the US army who kills 100 INNOCENTS before killing 1 terrorist), when you see children and women being harrassed, when you are the neglected community, when you are harrassed and beaten up and locked up in jails for months without any cases, but just for being a muslim, then there is this unexpressable hatred for the system. A system which is so biased. A system which pledges to protect everyone, immaterial of caste, creed and colour but doesnt. A similar fate awaits christian in many northern states. Its just a matter of time when you start seeing Christian Terrorists, now that we have already seen Hindu Terrorists. Oh I am sorry, a 'terrorist' has to be a muslim, isnt it? Others are extremists!!! How biased??

The point I am trying to say is this, every community that gets suppressed will start building hatred. And that is because they are helpless (a very humanistic nature). Now some anti-social elements (every community has them) takes advantage of this. The system today looks at thing beyond this point.... but when will we ever open our eyes to things happening before this point??? I wonder if that will every happen, or will we have to live a life adjusting to a new reality, a reality of living with fear everyday without knowing whether you will be those lucky few who will survive to meet your family in the evening!!!

kutub

November 27, 2008 08:25 PM

Another terrorist attack and this time its more daring then ever, it has a face and it has a strange reason.

Why is it so tough to understand the attacks are part of a political agenda coming across the Indian border. The Indian Mujahideen or Deccan Mujahideen are just cover ups and fake groups , the sole purpose of such names is to involve the Indian Muslims and project and promote an idea that Indian Muslims are involved in such ghastly acts of killing and expand their terror base.

Brainwashing tactics , the terror strategies, the base and support is clearly coming across the border with local logistic support and few radical Indian resources who have been brainwashed into believing that killing is the only way to protest.

Education with moral ethics thrown with abundance of humanity from childhood irrespective of their religion is clearly missing in South Asian countries where it is particularly important with such diverse religions and cultures.

mumbai man

November 27, 2008 09:29 PM

Mumbai is the city of struggle, poverty, dreams, ambitions, success and wealth - no one can demolish its spirit....

Life in mumbai would move on...it may pause for a moment but would never stop....

"Eh dil, lagta hai mushqil, jeena yaha,
zara hatke, zara backe;
Yeh hai Mumbai meri jaan..."

Jai Hind....

Bubba

November 28, 2008 12:14 AM

The problem with India is that it uses myths from the Bronze Age to allocate its labor force.

May it defeat the scourge of terrorism and become a more modern society.

There is no end to this.

November 28, 2008 12:24 AM

Imran:
How did Islamic extremists start causing chaos in the world? Did Islamic "extremists" start killing people just recently or has it been like this for hundreds of years?

I agree with the point about not linking religion with terrorists, but these idiots become one because their religious leaders feed their brain with all these religious nonsense. I know that Islam teaches peace and prosperity. However, in the 21st century, some Islamic leaders twisted their religious beliefs and produced more terrorist than ever before.

I am very ashamed at Indian intelligence agency, police force and most of all the government. If this happened in country like US of A, these idiots would be 6 feet under by now.

Nevertheless, there are over 1 billion people living on very small land, kind of hard to keep an eye on everyone and everything that goes on.

By the looks of it, there will be time when we will see extremists from every single religion on the planet earth. I only see two options to stop it. Strong/smart/honest government to control the situation from getting any worse or combining all the religions into one (credits goes to South Park – TV show). But again, as some of us know (hopefully some of you readers what South Park), that combining all the religions can still cause wars…haha.

In conclusion, there is not end to this…………for a long time.

Karl Marx

November 28, 2008 12:26 AM

It now appears more and more likely that this was an attack by Pakistan sponsored Islamo fascists (perhaps AQ/LeT) on democratic multicultural India. How can anyone claim that Islamo fascist terrorists are acting on behalf of muslims when its main victims are muslims (Sudan,Pakistan,Afghanistan Iraq ,Somalia and Indian muslims to name a few)

To those who are trying to claim there is moral equivalence of Islamo fascist terrorists and extremists of other religions -you don't understand this at all. (look up moral equivalence of you don't understand it) As an ideology it's up with some of worst ideas humans have had such as nazism and stalinism.

Devdatt

November 28, 2008 12:52 AM

Why shouldnt Mr. Manmohan Singh quit?? Isnt it his agenda that Mr. Patil is really driving? Did anyone consult Mr. Patil about not hanging Mt. Afzal Guru? or was it the PM or Sonias decision? Is it not true that the PM and Sonia supported Mr. Arjun Singh to allow legal aid to the terrorists in the Batla case? The fact remains that Mr. Shivraj Patil is the only sane person in this ministry, however, overpowered by these fools. Thats the tragedy.

Terrorists view

November 28, 2008 01:14 AM

From a terrorist perspective they feel they're doing a great service. They don't want to kill, they want to have love and peace also. They know when they die they will all have the 40 virgins which will give them all the love they every dreamed of. So really, they're doing this out of love. Besides, the hotel will be forced to lower it's prices.

KR Ram

November 28, 2008 01:29 AM

Appears to be a calculated act to disrupt the economics centres of India and build hostilities between India and Pakistan with an intent to divert Pakistani armys fight against the Taliban/AQ from the Afghan border.ROgue elements in ISI could have been provoked by Pak president's shocking statement that Pak will not be the first to use the N option as a first strike against India, a stand already taken by India .Eliminates any advantage to Pak in a conventional war with India.Has potent factors to be more world changing than 9/11.Like USA after 9/11, India will fight this devious proxy war and become much stronger.My prayers and wises to the Mumbaikers !V R all with u!

TomV

November 28, 2008 01:56 AM

My comment is directed to Imran above. Your comment about "American government’s arrogance of sending troupes and killing innocent people". I've read this type of drivel until I'm sick. Imran is like most other countries and people. They blame the US for actually trying to stop those who would attack us, like cowards from the shadows, and we get blamed because they hide behind women's skirts. So we have to chase them from hiding, and get blamed for doing so. I'm quite sure Imran would be happy if the US was attacked and did nothing, since he doesn't live in the US from the sounds of it. "TERRORISM DOES NOT HAVE A RELIGION" Yes, but ISLAMIC terrorists do, it's a form of Wahabbi Islam, where any muslim killed in attacks are either condoned because the dead were not 'pure' enough, and of course 'martyr' is such a convenient term. Anyone else is an infidel, and fair game. Imran's third paragraph says 100:1 innocents to terrorist. Please note my comment above about hiding behind women's skirts, so how can you seperate them, and where is your proof, or is this another rant? As for muslims being persecuted, when I see news clips of men/women wearing armbands and masks, proclaiming they are ready for jihad, the claim that muslims are just misunderstood rings false. BTW, I live/work in a muslim country, and have met some nice people. I've also seen the arrogance and "holier than thou" attitude also. I've seen insane 'Insha'Allah' based driving/actions justified by muslims by their faith also. If God/Allah did not want them to drive insanely, he would not allow it, and if an accident occurs, that's Allah's will, not my insane driving. And that Imran is why I disagree with your "we are prosecuted" explanation. Islam has a lot going for it, but it also has a lot of loopholes that allow any type of action to be justified, all it takes is the right spin. Until that aspect of Islam is fixed, don't expect anyone to accept your "poor prosecuted muslims" explanations.

jyoti

November 28, 2008 03:37 AM

mumbai is a big city it will not be effected by these nuansences of the terrorists

if they think that they can make us fear of them then they are wrong

these attacks will never diminish our patriotism

Ashish P

November 28, 2008 03:49 AM

Humans collectively have to make a choice.... Spend endlessly in protecting the good and still not be sure about its safety or proactively eliminate the bad...

bizaleri

November 28, 2008 06:23 AM

my condolences go to those who have lost their beloved ones and those who have lost their property.
i disagree with whoever says terrorism has no religion but to assure you it indeed has religion due to passion people have for their religious beliefs and customs.these people are able to do anything upto the extent of sacrificing their own lives for religion.
let's throw away our deeadly passions and make the world a happy and better place to live in by working towards a common goal in peace and unity.

Human Being

November 28, 2008 08:11 AM

All the religions preach that we are all one and the same. But not all Muslims are terrorists. One drop of poison in large vessel of milk turns it into poisionous milk, same is the case with some Muslim fanatics. No one has the right to end others lives.
As Gandhi said, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
I want to be known as a Human Being and not by the religion I practice.

hist

November 28, 2008 08:20 AM

As someone is pointing out there is no long history of violence in India. It is true that India is unified as a country after the independence. India was a peaceful country until the moguls invaded it. When moguls invaded India they started converting the local people to islam by force and also they brougtht their own culture into the country. This is where the conflict started. I think at this point, the religious divisions are started. But the people were not fighting over riligion.
It is same with the British. They brought christianity. When they were ruling, they benefited from these divisions. Actually they encouraged these divisions there was a phrase called "divide and rule" which helped them conquer the most of the India as there was no unity among kingdoms and people. It is in the British rule that the divisions flourished and went to a point where the hindus & muslims can not live at one place. British left India in a mess with these divisions at high point. So the religious violence has history from 1940's.

So whom do we blame. The moguls or the British or the people. I think it was the leaders whoever is ruling the country should direct these people in the right direction. Mahatma Gandhi did this to fight against British. but he could not manage remove this divide.

We must educate the people against violence over religion. I hope atleast now the indian politicians will realise and lead the country.

lean suan

November 28, 2008 10:54 AM

a terrorist donot belong to a religion. i will say the people should teach other people what is love for human being.

josh

November 28, 2008 12:06 PM

I understand why people are trying to figure out if such attacks are driven by religion or politics, and why this causes argument. However, it is nearly impossible to separate the two, and this provides clues as to what's going on.

Religion alone is not responsible. Personal religion, removed from society/politics (e.g., not fighting for control over ideas with anyone else), is an individual choice that no one can rightly criticize. So naturally, the religion defenders here rightly bristle when criticized.

Politics alone are not responsible. While they clearly vie for power and manipulate people and countries, their ability to do so is limited by what their people will go along with.

So the problem is the interplay of religion and politics. This is where Chuck and others have a point that cannot be ignored. You cannot expect a bunch of dedicated religious believers to keep everything to themselves. Sure, some people can (and do) practice this way. However, many do not, and many are encouraged by their religions to do so. When religion gets involved with politics, or politics use religion to achieve their means, we have problems.

You can try to blame politics, but the fact is, societies always have politics, so the injection of religion is what we need to focus on.

Indian

November 28, 2008 12:40 PM

this is a war by RADICAL ISLAM against the civilized world.

it was NYC on 9/11, mumbai again and again, london, madrid, and can be YOUR CITY next !!!

the terrorists are the same. their masters are the same. the city, and modus operandi varies.

the world has to tackle this problem together before its too late...

it is not a 2008 phenomenon. these islamic jehadis have converted a PEACEFUL BUDDHIST country of aghanistan into a VIOLENT ISLAMIC terriroty in a few centuries, and are trying to repeat their experiment in other places.

its a war by RADICAL ISLAM against the WORLD.


Alamzeb Khan[pakistan]

November 28, 2008 12:48 PM

The coordinated terrorist attacks carried out by unknown terrorists on railway station,hospital,Oberio Trident Hotel,Taj Mahal Hotel and Jewish Centre is international conspiracy against Pak-Indian friendly relations and peace process which PPP coalition government intends to set up.Indian Government officials and politicians and media must show maturity and abstain blaming ISI and pakistan without solid witnesses.

Justin

November 28, 2008 12:51 PM

This very clearly isn't just about religious fundamentalism. They are holding elections next year.

The attacks where in the heart of Mumbai, India's business district. The terrorists deliberately went after Americans and Brits. It's quite clear that Indian is not safe for outsourcing, and that any American or British companies that rely on Indian operations or contracts had better cut their ties.

Can you imagine calling customer service at Citibank, only to find out it isn't available because of another terrorist attack?

And the thing in, these terrorist attacks have been building and building. The fact of the matter is that India is about to BLOW up into some sort of civil war or some sort of governmental overthrow/collapse.

ramindi

November 28, 2008 01:19 PM

First, the unarmed bare headed brown khaki'd mumbai cops many looking out of shape and unfit, just strolled around while crowds gathered rights outside the blast spots, engangering the lives of more people. A tough armed and equipped rapid response team should have been there in minutes. It took a day before bullet proof vests could finally be seen. Second, we all know that crores of rupees have been allocated by state and central governmentes for equipment and modern security apparatus. Guess what, it has been distributed to, among the higher echelons, the rank and file cops instead. CORRUPTION is the biggest enemy of the nation. Then regional chauvinism especially in Maharashtra. It should act like an integral part of a dynamic nation, not a separate enitity under the control of Hinduvta demagogues like Thackeray who can harass and threaten minor ethnic groups with impunity. Another demagogue is Narinder Mody of Gujerat who can be blamed for part of the Muslim anger at Hindus. Then, the long list of government initiated or neglected atrocities listed above in one of the readers comments illustrates the scope of the problem. The unpunished perpretrators of the Sikh riots and the Bombay blasts foster seething anger among youths. Wake up India, otherwis you will fall back to a banana republic status.

dale

November 28, 2008 01:27 PM

This is a passage from the koren teachings: In Sura 8:12,13 Muslims are instructed to cut the necks and fingers of those who opposed God and to never turn their back on unbelievers: "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): 'I am with you: give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them. This because they contended against God and His Apostle. If any contend against God and his Apostle, God is strict in punishment ... O ye who believe! When ye meet the unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day –unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own) – he draws on himself the wrath of God, and his abode is hell, – an evil refuge (indeed)! It is not ye who slew them; it was God."

Just another Indian

November 28, 2008 02:43 PM

@ Meg... you're castigating others for speaking in ignorance. And then you go on to say that Indians are conservative and we wish to 'keep ourselves this way' and not let our children have freedom of thought?

What is it you know of this country? Please. Has liberal thought helped America stay free of terror? The UAE is conservative as well. Does that mean they're hotbeds of terror?

Do you believe that these acts of random sickness are carried out because of illiteracy?

@ Sam
Yes, India has had its problems. Religious differences exist. No one denies it.

I'd request you to learn Indian history before commenting on whether we'd ever be free or united had we not been exploited for 100 years. India and Pakistan were created because of the British too. I'd say the seeds of enmity were sown then. Shall we then say that the British are responsible for these acts?

From the perspective of an outsider, the crusades were terror attacks too. The armies swept across regions looting, pillaging and killing. whether this was intended by those funding those 'holy' armies or not is moot. The point is, this is what happened.

I do not think that 'terror' can be separated from other forms of repression and violence. What is different between Afghanistan under the Taliban and India with the terrorists is that we're free and we allow people to express themselves. We have a free press and so the outrage is reported.

Violence occurs not because of a religion. It exists despite religion. And I'm saying this as an atheist... I don't believe in God, but I have seen the power of faith on those who do. It is a potent force, yes. But in the end, those who take it to the extreme would have found another outlet for their violence and evil had it not been for religion.

Please everyone. We're hurting. Have you ever had to see your country burning? Have you ever been terrified because your baby niece was leaving to go to school? Or your mother was out grocery shopping?

Can we please stop making uninformed generalisations? Can we just at least keep the peace?

Bob

November 28, 2008 06:43 PM

Over 100 people killed and another 100,000 to flee their homes.
No, not a report on the Mumbai attacks, but rather what happened last month when Hindu mobs attacked Christian citizens.
My apologies but lets get over the shallow "it's the muslims" diatribe present in some of these postings. There's plenty of hate to go around for everybody.

Unbiased

November 28, 2008 08:53 PM

Dale, thanks for the passage from the Koran. The violence perpetrated by Muslims, for several centuries, in the name religion appears to have a sound scriptural basis. Even a prominent Ayatollah from Iran once commented that Islam grew with the use of a sword. The entire world would have preferred that the current problem of Muslim terrorism be solved by Muslims themselves, but, really, we can't expect the solution to be coming from the Muslim world. The Muslim world has been at war with the rest of the world for quite some time, starting with the birth of Islam, but now the Muslim terrorists have ensured that the entire world is left with no choice but to also be at war with the Muslim world. However, let us still hope that the Muslim world will be able to put their house in order, to be able to coexist with others in the modern world. Can they do that, e.g. by reforming their scriptures which, incidentally, they consider to be "world of God"? Quite a challenge for the Muslims but the stakes for them are also very high!


root cause

November 28, 2008 11:17 PM

India, like all other countries, is not flawless. Communal harmony in India cannot be achieved if there continues to be institutionalized discrimination against its minorities (ie. muslims, christians). Instead of wasting resources in building security fences, why not address these root causes (ie. persecution in kashmir, unpunished hundu rioters, injustices against the muslims ..etc..)that instigates these kind of irrational behaviour in the first place. Violence breeds violence. Indians should know that best, out of everyone.

Rohit

November 29, 2008 03:03 AM

Persecution complex stems from fear. I can understand if one has had experiences like K and starts believing it. But, a population of 1.25 billion?

The argument that the rest of world should study the root cause of muslim persecution around the world to understand the reason for Islamic terrorist's actions is stemming from this complex. Show me any community in the world and I will show you as many problems that they are facing up to. But, most of them are doing so in a constructive manner. It is very easy to destroy - anger, jealousy, hatred - all these are negative emotions that lead to some form of destruction. But, it takes a big heart, courage, fortitude, and wisdom to build.

Currently, we are dealing with a lethal cocktail of ignorance, manipulative clergy, free money, and a planned indoctrination that heightens the persecution mindset in the gullible and poor masses thereby creating a bad name for Islam and perpetrating the same negative emotions in the rest of the world - taking the whole world to the dangerous precipice. We need to break this cycle of indoctrination and urge the moderates to start the building phase. And the rest of the world should also breathe and calm down. It is not the first hurricane and neither will it be the last. There will be death and destruction as long as we human beings exist. But, humanity will survive only when each one of us looks within and realizes our potential for positive contributions to the community and the society at large. It does not mean that we ignore our duty to protect and defend and fight, if needed and pursue and prosecute the perpetrators of such inhuman crime. It means that each one of us has to cleanse ourselves such that when we act, the action is driven by rational thought and not emotions.

Islam has given so much to this world. From culture, art, philosophy, science, to spirituality. Unfortunately, it has also been turned and twisted by many misguided manipulators like all other religions. Taliban means a learner or student and today we equate it to a hard-liner. The true meaning of jihad in the Holy Koran is to cleanse oneself from these negative emotions and purify oneself. It is a battle that every true muslim is supposed to fight throughout his/her life. It has a rich history of open debates and arguments with point / counter-point. Its history is also replete with humanistic traditions such as sufi philosophy (Rumi, Bulle Shah, among others), renounciation, austerity, to dervishes, and qawwalis (devotion songs, e.g. Khusro).

The national poet of Pakistan Iqbal had said "mazhab nahi sikhata apas mein bair karna", i.e. religion doesn't teach creating division among people. He had also said: "Mazhab-e-Mullah, fee sabeel lillah fasaad" - that religions bigots are the root cause of strife and war. The great sufi poet, Bulle Shah, equated the hard-line cleric or mullah to a barking dog and crowing rooster. It is not a derogatory statement to the mullah but meant to awaken the listener - please read about one of his best compositions: http://www.paktribune.com/pforums/posts.php?t=2607

As you would see he is extolling you to learn by yourself and not be swayed by narrow minded ideas, in other words wage a personal jihad to seek the inner truth.

Social religion is an oxymoron and open to manipulation as we have seen in history. Religion is each persons journey to find the true self to get awareness, clarity, and purity (pak in urdu, hence pakistan means pure land, really) so as to be able to perform duty in this life - to self, family, friends, community, and society at large.

Scorpindio

November 29, 2008 04:26 AM

In the end, it is the extremely poorly paid policemen and army/navy men who came to the rescue!! These are the same men who were being grudged a few rupees in their pay and allowances by the babus and the politicians just a few weeks back. In fact, when they asked for more, the babus and the politicians said that it was a mutiny!! Treated them like bhikharis!! Even now, no one is talking about their pay. Salutes and calling them brave-hearts does not recompense these men! Pay them!! Don't grudge them their due! Not one of those who saved the Taj could have afforded to have a meal there, forget about staying in a suite there! The babu & the politician will not listen unless enough people talk about this cause.

Unbiased

November 29, 2008 11:21 AM

Rohit, as a wit once said,"Why give advice? The wise don't need it and fools won't need it". Your "lecture", if given to Muslim terrorists, will fall on deaf years. The Muslim moderates already know your "lecture". The challenge is for the Muslim moderates to reform Islam, so the seeds of terrorism, e.g. originating from their own history of violence, with a sound basis in the their scriptures, are destroyed forever. That will be considered as a true Jihad, internal flush and reformation, for the religion of Islam. Currently, even fighting the internal indoctrination towards destruction is not being done by Muslim moderates. It won't be surprising that even Muslim moderates support terrorism, in the name of Muslim "brotherhood", and for the fear of their own lives from the the terrorists. Like everything else, all evil is internal, homegrown. No one else, or no outside force, can be blamed for it. Like all religions, Islam is also not flawless but the Muslims refuse to even acknowledge it. They are forbidden by Islam to question Islam!

Imran

November 30, 2008 08:31 AM

@There is No End to This.
Well I dont know what you are referring to when you say, "Did Islamic Extremists start killing people just recently or has it been like this for hundreds of years?". If you are refering to the war waged by muslims, then you are thoroughly mistaken. Christian Crusaders and Muslims Armies have waged many bloody wars, but that was the age of wars and domination. Those contexts really doesnt hold good in the modern world. Islam says even in war if your enemy gives up and ask for his life and if he really repents then by law of the religion you are bound to make sure he is safe! Well about the 21st century islamic leaders, well I agree there are black sheeps in Islam too like any other community. But that doesnt mean the whole of Islam preaches or rather supports the view taken by people like them including Osama Bin Laden (who calls himself a leader when his own family disowns him).

Well about the Indian Intelligence agency's failure and how USA (assuming you are from there) would have put them "6 feet under", the whole world has seen that on 9/11. Well it was a black day as this mumbai attack was, but USA isnt even a tad better than India. Atleast India managed to keep the death count to ~183.

@TomV
Well TomV, ask your self and answer honestly, do you think America ever waged a war in its history for anything other than economic gain?? Be it the WW2 or Gulf war or Afghanistan or now Iraq. Mr.Osama Bin Laden was infact trained by US and used against the Soviet!!! What more do you even have to say my friend? I am sorry if I am offending you, but US (not the people but the Govt. and presidents including both the Bush) are nothing but a laughing stock in all the other part of the world and probably parts of US. The only thing that went for it was the economy and the money, but unfortunately this recession will end it all. Even the money was earned by waging wars under 'terrorism' tags or under the pretext of helping other nations! And the worst of all, we dont even know if all these terrorists exists or not, or is it just decoy used as a 'reason' for US to attack countries for ultimate economic gains (read Oil, sale of military weapons etc).

Well, you said I might not worried if US was attacked. Well I would if it is
innocent people who are dieing, be it US or any other country. And please dont get an idea that whatever I said above is because I am a muslim! I would have said this even if it was Christian Extremist who were involved in this attack. Extremists are born when a certain community is suppressed. Like I said, after the church attacks in India, rapes of nuns and other suppressions of Christians in India by Hindu extremists, its just a matter of time before we start seeing Christians involved in such attacks. And then TomV, I wonder if you will hold to your stance or would you be more empathetic and be defending your religion!

My stance (was, is and will be) that 'Terrorism does not have a religion' will be true even if its someother religious people involved. We need to find solutions to problems that start these problems not react when it happens and after hundreds and thousands have lost their life!!

Unbiased

November 30, 2008 12:27 PM

Imran, it appears from your posting that you are not even sure about the existence of terrorists, and, if at all they exist, it is because of the Hindus. It appears that The mindset of the terrorists is not limited to only a few black sheep!

If the thinking of even "moderate" Muslims is like that of yours, may God help the Muslim world, from retributions by the entire non-Muslim world!

There is No End to This.

November 30, 2008 02:44 PM

Imran: I believe what I said was kind of misleading. What I meant was, Islam extremists were causing chaos in the world from the beginning (from what I hear...did not do specific research on this and if I am incorrect, forgive me). Wherever they went, they forced people to convert, if not pay money, if not then die. They started spreading Islam like this. When I say this, I am not referring to Islam in general but those extremists. I am unaware of any facts that Christians too did this or even any other religions.

General: From reading one of the comments posted above, I do realize that Qur'an (somewhat) lead Islam extremists to believe it is OK to kill people of other religion (I hope my translation is correct politically). These extremists took this in their advantage and started causing chaos.

But one this I do understand is that these terrorists don't cause chaos for any religion reasons but purely for political reasons. The extremist leaders tell their mujahideen that they are doing this in the name of God. Most of these mujahideens are not very educated and so they believe what theses leaders tell them. But only these leaders know that the true reason behind causing chaos is purely based on politics. Again, they took what Qur'an said in their advantage. Other religious book doesn’t say anything about killing so we don't see any other religious extremists at this magnitude.

As I mentioned in my previous comment, there will be a day when you will see extremists from all religions cause chaos (not in the name of god but purely because of politics). We have seen it started by witnessing Hindu extremists. Hindu religion does not support violence any way. So why do we have Hindu extremists now? Politics you say? Sure…and also maybe because they can’t take these Islamic extremists anymore. Eye for and eye….which will indeed make the world go blind. We need to stop these Hindu extremists before they go too far. We can’t even tackle one right now…

Farooq Zuberi

December 1, 2008 03:59 AM

I am a pakistani, and here, believe it or not we were really sad with what happened in mumbai.
I was more shocked by the prompt manner in which the indian prime minister within 13 hours of the beginning of carnage made a hidden and threatening reference to pakistan, i just hope india grows up, admits it failure and stop blaming pakistan for all its woes. No intelligence agency in world can conclude where the attackers came from, while the operation is still in progress. First we heard they have come on pakistani ships and went offshore with arms to carry out there operation (its a sad occasion but it made me laugh!), how can a ship loaded with explosives penetrate international border that too when the indian navy and maritime security was on an exercise.
Than we heard that the attackers knew the area very well and were staying in the hotel for 3 months or so.
There are many many other contradictions too.

Plus we have to look what gain will it give to pakistan, even if it were to carry out this act. Pakistan is a front line state against war on terror,we are facing the full force of these extremists, which mind you were created on western demands to counter USSR. No sane leader would at this point like to start a conflict with india, when internally pakistan is sorting out lots of its problems.

I hope india acts responsibly and play a positive role in the region and give more rights the suppressed communities there.

yasin malik

December 1, 2008 09:35 PM

India is a highly incompatent and inept state. The Mumbai attacks have proven that.

Sandip Ghose

December 2, 2008 05:19 AM

Last week’s terror strike in Mumbai – which held the megapolis hostage for nearly 72 years was not just a tragedy but an apocalypse that defies description in words.

So do I believe anything will change? Cynical as I may sound, I don’t think so. How many times before have we heard the term “intelligence failure”? Or the assertion that Intelligence Agencies had warned about the possibility of the attacks much in advance - but the police or state authorities did not act upon it.

Is there any reason to think that now things will change for good - the nation and political parties will stand together as one – leaving aside considerations of their vote banks – to pledge that we won’t let this happen again? Those who think that this would prove to be a ‘wake-up call’ are being naive. The theory that, this time terror has struck the under-belly of the ‘rich and powerful’ who will make the establishment act – is based on an erroneous premise.

The rot has set in far too deep. The sacking of a Shivaraj Patil or sacrificing a Vilas Rao Deshmukh and R R Patil at the alter of electoral expediency wouldn’t make any real difference either.

Nor will the creation of a Central Agency for National Security a la the US Department of Homeland Security or introduction of more draconian laws to curb terror – serve any purpose unless it is backed by political will and bi-partisan and unanimous support across the political spectrum.

What is required is an over-haul of the entire system – which is beyond the capacity or comprehension of our present day leaders who are too busy with their internecine fights to bother about fundamental structural reforms

We will continue to hear only pious platitudes (such as “the guilty will be punished” and “such attacks will unite us rather than divide us”) or indictments from the opposition trying to make cheap political capital out of a national tragedy - until the next one hits us, perhaps with even greater ferocity.

The armed forces remain the last surviving institution in this country. God forbid if even they are politicized, it would mean the end of India as we knew it.

www.ghoses.blogspot.com

sarika

December 2, 2008 05:21 AM

Farooq,
I am from Mumbai
I fully agree to your above comments,
We all should talk based on investigation reports which is yet to fully come.

Do you think in case if final Report would show that terrorist are from Pakistan (from Dawood's team) who is hosted currently in Pakistan. Is Pakistan would be ready to catch Dawood & other 19 top terrorist in the list who all are hosted in Pakistan.

Why Pakistan Goverment not working together on Samjotha agreement, why not supporting us to catch this people & stop the acts done by them in pakistan border.
I know it is not pakistan goverment who is not involved & they are also Victim against this. LAtest wer two cases (One was murder of Benjir Bhutto & one was collapse of JWM). Why not two countries seat together & work together to catch this terrorist who are operating from Parkistan. This would be beneficial for both the countries.

Don't you agree to this. We dont want a war should happen, that would unnecessarily take lives of many inncent Indians as well as Pakistani's.

WE should meet, act immediately & take stringent steps to fight against it.

We should show the world though the seeds sowed by British of dividing India for making them fight agianst each other life long is solved now.

JAI HIND

Bill

December 2, 2008 08:29 PM

I would also like to know why these terrorist were looking for British and American Passports. Could it be..... I don't need to say..... "You Reap What You Sow"

Peroor Gopalakrishnan(PT.KSS)

December 7, 2008 09:17 PM

Dear all above,

First off all l pay my tributes to the NSG commandos and policemen who have lost their lives and condolences to those who have lost their beloved ones, and those who have lost their property.

The easiest way to stop this religious fundamentalist terrorism by educating the youth to the correct religious factors/path by the religious leaders. This is the duty and obligations of religious preachers/dignitaries, to maintain the religious harmony in our nation.

This terrorism is to anyhow to stop. We all nations are spending a lot of sum for maintain national security and defence,a big potion of our national budgets,please think how good,if we are able to divert these millions to national developments.

Firstly to stop funding to these terrorists, directly or indirectly by religious fractions, external governments and/or by business tycoons with the intention of make insurgency internally to discourage business investors from investing, religious harmony and after all by this lead people against democratic elected governments and by this get a bargaining power over democratically governments on all dialogues.

Also all political parties to stop immediately their wrong favouritism to religions for short term gaining such as electoral votes.By doing these political parties trying to destroy the religious harmony that exists in our country.

Also the news media should take an initiative to identify what messages can disclose and what may not, to avoid further violence among people, do not think only about to increase circulation and popularity.

To track and crack down the terrorism, government security agencies to co-ordinate each other by passing information on time.To enable this create a department in Priminster's office consists of officers from Defence,RAW,IB, NSG and state government nominees. Collection and disseminating should be done by this department better than few departments, preferably from Priminster's office and copied these information to President of India and all State governments without any delays. Weekly or Fortnightly this core group should held meetings and exchange information and ideas.

MY TRIBUTES TO OUR NSG COMMANDOS AND POLICEMEN WHO LOST THEIR LIVES

Imran

December 13, 2008 03:36 PM

@Unbiased

I dont know why you got offended, probably my words describing hindu extremism was blunt. I applogise, but thats a fact, there exists black sheeps even in your religion. Well like always they are all political games played by different politicians using uneducated poor indians, who can be easily brain washed. But just remember how offended I or the whole muslim community should feel when the whole world calls Islam a 'terrorist' religion just because there are more poor people and obiviously more brain washed 'terrorists'. Religions are never terror minded, its only some people who defame the religion, yours or mine.

@There is No End to This

Well I am sure you have not done your research well. When I mentioned about the hindu extremists destroying churches in south india, what do you this was the reason behind it??? It was because they converted people - HOOK OR CROOK!!! So about people inviting people to their religion, I guess is done by every religion and I have no objection with it. But since we are all human beings, that should be everybody's right to accept it or not! And my friend, Quran doesnt say that it is 'OK' to kill people from other religion. Infact Quran says, if at all anyone kills a innocent person, it is as if he has killed the whole of humanity!!! It doesnt mention about Muslims or non muslims!!!

Generally:

During the cold war, America funded and created Al Qaida, During the Afganistan war it supported a lot of small pakistan based extremists which today turns its head towards India. Like Rice mentioned that it was America's fault for not closing down LeT. I am not blaming Pakistani people, but it definitely has a lot to do with the govt. for not doing anything against these extremists. My bros and sisters from across the border, your country's help to these extremists in anyway, no matter what the intension may be, it definitely is not getting any good name to our prophets religion! In this regard, I respect the gulf countries - If you are wrong, you get punished (doesnt matter which religion you are). Pakistan should co-operate with India and weed out the black sheeps.

Lastly but not least, I respect all the brave soldiers, commandos and police officers who fought for my country and gave their lives to save ours.

gongaram

January 28, 2009 01:10 PM

The sad fact is that as long as india kills and rapes in Kashmir, Gujarat, UP with no one being brought to book, then the likes of LeT wil get recruits to kill and murder!!

RAOSAHEB

February 16, 2009 09:48 AM

We can stop these terror attacks only after being united .and also strict security should be taken .just see the work the nsg commandoes & the police did how bravely they defended our country from our eniems.

India is known all over the world for her unity in diversity.but the tourists who came to india visit her unity they faced in terror attack .what they will tell to their country members that india is not suitable for her title

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