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Is Europe Listening to Italy's Two Marios?

Posted by: David Tweed on January 23, 2012

Euro zone finance ministers meet in Brussels today and it looks as though they’re certainly listening to one of Italy’s two Marios.

European Central Bank President Mario Draghi suggested after the bank’s January meeting that it would be “highly welcome” for European leaders to quit dithering and get the proposed fiscal-compact treaty on fiscal discipline and balanced budgets signed by the end of January.

A couple of days later Germany’s new ECB representative Jörg Asmussen, after catching sight of a treaty draft, warned against moves afoot to water it down. If the pact was to be a basis for a fundamental shift toward fiscal union, then it needed credible rules, with limited opt-outs.

Lo and behold, last week a new, stricter treaty surfaced, one with rules that will automatically fine countries breaching their budget-deficit targets, except in the direst of circumstances.

So momentum is gathering. But even if the compact gets a political blessing this month, will that be enough to put an end to the European sovereign debt crisis?

“Probably not,” said Michala Marcussen, head of global economics for Société Générale (GLE:FP). “The really big issue is getting more money on the table.”

Enough money to convince investors that the EU can and will come to the aid of an economy the size of Italy if necessary. And keep Greece out of the bond market until it can generate a budget surplus, which could take years.

Which brings us to the other Mario, Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti, who has called on Germany to cut Italy some slack and bring down its borrowing costs.

How? With the ECB averse to becoming the ultimate lender to distressed governments, Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel may be forced to increase the size of the permanent rescue fund from the proposed €500 billion and create a credible firewall—with all the political risk that entails.

For today, as well as the fiscal compact, finance ministers also must prepare a response to Greece’s efforts to convince private bond holders to take losses and assess its second financing package ahead of the Jan 30 leaders’ summit.

One step at a time. As Merkel is wont to say: this crisis won’t be solved with one big bang.

Photograph by John Thys/AFP/Getty Images

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It looks like that in UK but then it spread fast Sunday, 04 March 2012.What changes do we have today? Private security firms could take over police roles like investigating crimes and detaining suspects, if plans by two major police forces go ahead. This is UK. So what will be in like in other places where the corruption is very high? I wonder. A worrying suggestion - the Police have a well tried selection and training process. Not sure where our community officers fit into this but my contacts with them leave me feeling they are well short of our regular Police in quality. Just recruit more regular police and border agency officers and perhaps they will stand a chance of removing the `illegal’s` Mr Cameron took the decision "Decisions about the alcohol strategy will be announced when it is published in coming months, but the PM has already said we will look very carefully at the problem of very low cost alcohol." I love when one person makes a move and shakes the market. My words fly up, my thoughts remain below: Words without thoughts never to heaven go. -William Shakespeare, playwright and poet (1564-1616) I thank you Firozali A.Mulla DBA

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On the eve of a crucial visit to the White House by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, that country’s most powerful American advocates are mounting an extraordinary public campaign to pressure President Obama into hardening American policy toward Iran over its nuclear program. Please remember no one is indispensable. Get a new politician he will do the same as the old. This has been will be and we will learn how to tolerate with it. I simply fail to understand the issue of the other war torn Middle East. We have heard about this from 50s and we have not been able to find the solution. Only that we go there and our troops get fatigued as we have at times given the obsolete armaments, they would love to come back home but under the laws, they are to fight the unknown and the known. There has never been any evidence of any settlement with Iran and other states. Even China now says, the Syrian deaths are sad, so will they go there and stop these. No? Why. They want to talk like and they too hate the deaths but we want to carry on talking. It is sad that now the politicians still have to learn how to good leader and not butchers. I thank you Firozali A.Mulla DBA.

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