UAW workers stiff arm Ford

Posted by: David Welch on October 30, 2009

Just when you figured that the United Auto Workers have been hammered into submission, union workers are flexing their muscles. Ford union workers at 11 plants have voted against concessions made by the UAW’s bargaining committee. Workers at four plants have approved the concessions, which include wage freezes for new hires, a moratorium on strikes over pay and benefits and some work rule changes, Bloomberg reported on its web site. If workers don’t ratify the concessions, then union leaders and Ford management have to hammer out a deal that can pass muster with the rank and file. Either that or Ford gets none of the concessions.

Where to begin with this one? From a public perception standpoint, this is the worst thing the union can do. Across America, workers are losing jobs even as the economy shows signs of life. Few Americans will have sympathy for UAW laborers who have kept their jobs even amid the worst downturn in auto sales in decades. You can’t blame UAW leaders for this one, since they agreed to the concessions. It’s the members who aren’t seeing the writing on the wall.

The new concessions aren’t exactly gut wrenching, either. Ford wants to freeze entry-level workers. That doesn’t affect the voting members and won’t likely hurt anyone new since Ford isn’t hiring. They also want to consolidate some skilled trades classifications, which could weaken job security for the electricians, welders, pipe fitters the like. But the big sticking point looks to be the no-strike clause that would be in place for the 2011 labor contract negotiations. Under the tentative agreement, the union can’t strike over wage and benefits proposals made by the union. But they could if management tries to cut their pay and benefits or over other issues like health and safety concerns. If the UAW and Ford can’t strike a deal, it would go to an arbitrator. Other major unions already do this, so it wouldn’t be the end of the world.

Wait, it gets even more silly. To sweeten the deal, Ford has been willing to give workers a $1,000 bonus upon ratifying the new concessions. The company would also commit to build new products in some UAW plants. So the union could strike over proposed pay cuts in 2011 and they’d get some more cash and job security today.

For both sides, that argument seems to be much ado about nothing. Ford hasn’t had a strike this decade. Neither side is interested in doing that since the union would worry about damaging their healthiest Big Three employer, which is already carrying a big debt load. And Ford wouldn’t want to blow cash on a standoff with labor. In other words, they are fighting over how to manage a very unlikely outcome. That said, asking a union not to strike declaws its negotiators.

My guess: Ford will give in on that one to get the other concessions, which deal with actual compensation and work rules, done and sealed. But given the nature of the concessions and what the workers stand to gain—and not lose—I can’t explain their obstinacy on this one.

Reader Comments

Dave Harris

October 30, 2009 5:51 PM

I must agree, the opposition by the UAW to this agreement appears to be akin to the phrase "shooting one-self in the foot." What is good for Ford is good for the UAW in the long term, and after all, we are only talking about a period of 2 years on these proposals.....that will give Ford time to consolidate and improve it's market share which will benefit ALL Ford employees, UAW and Management alike, as well as the general consumer and our economic recovery in general.

Dave Ex

October 30, 2009 6:50 PM

Where did "equal pay for equal work" go?
How would you like to be hired in 2011 and six or seven years later, the person working next to you gets a pension, you get a 401K (good luck) and the person next to you is being paid $26 per hour and your top pay is $21.75. Meanwhile the CEO of the car company gets a 13 million dollar bonus and has a golden parachute when he is let go or retires and walks away with another 40 million dollars or more. Glad to see the present workers give a darn for the future workers, after all it just might be a son or daughter.

Dallas

October 30, 2009 6:52 PM

This guy hasn't a clue what hes talking about. UAW members only get the 1000.00 dollar bonus if they dont get proffit sharing in March of next year. They only end up with 600.00 dollars of the 1000. We gave up more than that in the last round of negotiations by not getting a Christmas bonus each year, Not getting a performance bonus each year and giving up 1 holiday each year and our cost of living which at the time was .99/ hour . Im sure the author of this article still gets his Christmas bonus. Ford committed to hiring one for one of people leaving the company in 07, committed to new products and new body shops or new paint shops and the are not holding up to their end of the contract. The CEOs clearly stat that they dont need to give up any of their pay and have only put their bonuses on HOLD until the company makes proffit, then they get theirs. The UAW doesn't get theirs back unless we fight for it in the contracts. I sure would like to se YOUR contract and see what you get for sitting at a keyboard. You wouldn't last a week working the assembly line of an Autoworker.

FJ

October 30, 2009 6:54 PM

Chrysler is basically dead, Government Motors is on life support, and now the "entitled" UAW workforce wants to further put the screws to Ford. Personally, I will never again buy a vehicle produced by the UAW.

Dallas

October 30, 2009 7:12 PM

This guy hasn't a clue what hes talking about. UAW members only get the 1000.00 dollar bonus if they dont get proffit sharing in March of next year. They only end up with 600.00 dollars of the 1000. We gave up more than that in the last round of negotiations by not getting a Christmas bonus each year, Not getting a performance bonus each year and giving up 1 holiday each year and our cost of living which at the time was .99/ hour . Im sure the author of this article still gets his Christmas bonus. Ford committed to hiring one for one of people leaving the company in 07, committed to new products and new body shops or new paint shops and the are not holding up to their end of the contract. The CEOs clearly stat that they dont need to give up any of their pay and have only put their bonuses on HOLD until the company makes proffit, then they get theirs. The UAW doesn't get theirs back unless we fight for it in the contracts. I sure would like to se YOUR contract and see what you get for sitting at a keyboard. You wouldn't last a week working the assembly line of an Autoworker.

asa

October 30, 2009 7:14 PM

Stupid is as stupid does.

Michael

October 30, 2009 7:28 PM

Am I really hearing this right?? Are Ford union members morons or what? They don't seem to get it. Ford is the last standing of the Big three (and barely). This obstinance over a temporary concession that might give investors some reassurance over Ford's stability is beyond me! Not only that, this proves once again that unions are obsolete....because inevitably the spoiled union worker will look at this as a win. What they truly want is a piece of the government hand out. And that, my precious American Ford (yes, I'm a lifetime customer at 49 years old) is why you will die or be forced to move completely to India or somewhere else where labor doesn't kill your return on capital...oh wait, nevermind...my bad, Ford will be a government owned and operated. Hey, mister union worker...Ford is willing to give you great pay and benefits to build a car here in America. Are you willing to move to India...because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay your unemployment!

Dave Harris

October 30, 2009 7:30 PM

This 'argument' is really not about what is best for Ford and the UAW.....from my perspective, it is more about the fear that UAW rank-and-file have about "losing power" to determine their own destiny. That is at best a misconception and at worst a fallacy. What is good for Ford right now, is good for all of the employees, both Union and Management. In the final analysis.......we, the auto consumer public and the economic recovery our nation is beginning will do nothing but benefit when both the UAW and Ford come to terms. This needs to reach a positive conclusion. Period.

Mark-Anthony

October 30, 2009 7:38 PM

There will be a strike, so the government can take Ford over to. At that point the unions can launch an attack against Honda and Toyota through the government .... get ready.

Robert Hunt

October 30, 2009 7:47 PM

I wish ford would just close down for 6 months and let the stupid union go without wages to show them what the rest of us have been going through

RUKidding

October 30, 2009 8:04 PM

After buying GM cars for 30 years to support American companies and workers, I switched to Ford after GM became Government Motors. Now, I guess its time to switch to Acura and to hell with both.

David E. Connolly, Jr.

October 30, 2009 8:25 PM

Ford should start hiring all non union workers, and pay them whatever Toyota is paying. The idea that someone could make as much as a union worker has made for the past hundred years, and still require that the company provide retirement, because they didn't have the discipline to save a little for retirement is difficult to comprehend. I heard it said "Well, it's impossible to feed, clothe, and school 4 children, and sock any money away for retirement." Well no kidding, Einstein, that's why only rich people can afford to have so many children, if they don't expect someone else to provide for them. That would be the difference between someone responsible, and someone thinking with the downward leaning parts of their person.

William Heebsh

October 30, 2009 9:02 PM

Tell us David Welch, how big of a pay cut have the top union officals and the top officers at Ford taken? The answer is zero. The rank and file have taken cut after cut and the top offical's have'nt taken anything. William C Heebsh

Paul (Vw)

October 30, 2009 10:06 PM

Mr Welch says: "From a public perception standpoint, this is the worst thing the union can do."

Maybe so. But from a government perspective, I think this tops it...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/10/edmundscom_cash_for_clunkers_a.html

>>> the true cost to taxpayers of the Cash for Clunkers program was more like $24,000 per car than government rebates of up to $4,500 per car.

Jim Foster

October 30, 2009 10:20 PM

Mr. Welch, Maybe you would like to take a pay cut and work for $14 a hour for six years....

kuei

October 30, 2009 11:01 PM

The union workers are idiots. They will put themselves out of jobs. Unions have some good points, but they need to know when to stop and think. Most people are smart enough not to push their employer for more pay and benefits during a financial crisis. Not the UAW workers.

Lucy

October 30, 2009 11:11 PM

Here we go again BW bashing the unions in the US. When the h*ll are you people ever going to get the understanding that people with disposible income, you know spending money drive this economy. I've read everything from how union leaders are crooks to gawd knows what. Oh really and bank execs aren't crooks either? I've said many times if every worker in the US joined a union in this country and had the same fire power lobbyist as business had this country wouldn't have the problems it has. If countries like China want to manufacture then let them innovate and bring their products to market. Too do you BW I mean ever print the cummulative cost of management comparable to the union, NO! If the truth was probably known what the union gets would be like lake Michigan compared to managements Atlantic ocean. I don't belong to a union and I get tired of hearing the bashing. Ignorant azzes!!!

John A Leva

October 30, 2009 11:52 PM

David, I really find fault with the argument "what workers stand to gain or lose", when in itself, that's one of the benefits of having a union... Deciding what is important to a proposal, is just one of many options that are available to a union auto-employee.. A process that's fundamental in a union environment Its about protecting seniority, jobs and or classifications.. I work in a union environment and wouldn't have it any other way.. I have a choice as to what happens to me through my union representation.. The members will decide what's acceptable through their voting..

aa

October 31, 2009 12:00 AM

It's time to end the silly double standard towards auto labor in the US. Every country in the world has a uniform policy towards auto labor. In Europe, Japan and Korea all auto manufacturers employ union labor and in the rest of the world it is pretty much non-union.

The US is the only country in the world to have two standards. Worse yet the local OEM are saddled with Unions and "transplants" or foreign nationals are not.

Its crazy and needs to be remedied. Either all manufacturers in the US have to deal with unions and their selfish natures or none of them.

Dave

October 31, 2009 12:06 AM

Union workers kill business.

P. Palmison

October 31, 2009 12:31 AM

I work for one of the suppliers, and we are to vote on our contract Sunday. We have not been told what is in the contract, they will do that on Sunday before we vote. It seems to me they are doing this so we do not have time to discuss it among ourselves.We have had no pay raises in three years, and now they want us to go three more. I understand our perscriptons will be raised dramatically, and we have to either give up five vacation days or holidays. Oh, and the company reserves the right to close the door from year to year. Even though the economy is bad, my Dad fought to get this union when it first came into existence, and now it seems they do not want to fight for us.

P. Palmison

October 31, 2009 12:31 AM

I work for one of the suppliers, and we are to vote on our contract Sunday. We have not been told what is in the contract, they will do that on Sunday before we vote. It seems to me they are doing this so we do not have time to discuss it among ourselves.We have had no pay raises in three years, and now they want us to go three more. I understand our perscriptons will be raised dramatically, and we have to either give up five vacation days or holidays. Oh, and the company reserves the right to close the door from year to year. Even though the economy is bad, my Dad fought to get this union when it first came into existence, and now it seems they do not want to fight for us.

Craig

October 31, 2009 7:56 AM

This is shocking. I give credit to the UAW leaders for keeping US manufacturing competitive, and keep the work here in the states.. Almost appears UAW members are not reading the newspaper...or are very, very selfish. I am a salary worker at a [predominantly union wage group] Fortune 100 company and I will get no pay raise next year, and the pressure is intense to do more with less.

In one article I read: "Union dissidents say Ford already is doing better than GM and Chrysler and does not warrant the same treatment." YET Ford has not turned a profit since 2005 (lost more than $14.6 billion in 2008)...wow...so is the motive to get all you can prior to bankruptcy then give concessions when restructuring and shutting down plants and losing tons of jobs?

What will the UAW say when the promised work at the Ford Sterling Heights axle factory goes to the non-union Getrag factory in North Carolina? I'm sure they'll say it's not their fault.

UAW Rank and File Members--You are making your bed, are you prepared to sleep in it?

william

October 31, 2009 11:11 AM

As usual only half truths are being advertised. One of the most grievous omissions is the REMOVAL OF THE CAP ON NEW HIRES. Herein lies the real essence of the direction and intent of the company. By removing the cap, the company will hire more half price workers than seniority workers THEN tailor the contract to benifit the newhires at the expense of the older workers,and the newhires will pass the contract for the company. Pretty slick.
I'm a little offended that the real thought and details are omitted in ALL the news coverage.
And the $1000, is against the profit sharing-One or the other.

T.Harris

November 1, 2009 11:37 AM

Enough concessions by the union members, lets see some concessions by salary,Ford is way to over populated with mangement.

Dan

November 1, 2009 4:23 PM

Why do these union folks consistently complain about the pay scale/salaries/bonuses of the CEOs? If you don't like your position in the business world go be a CEO! We all have choices.

Union workers kill business!

Waitaminute

November 1, 2009 6:42 PM

Here again, the national union being totally out of touch with the rank and file and completely unable to explain what it is they are being asked to concede. I blame the union leadership (?) politicians for assuming they actually know what is in the hearts and minds of their membership.

jon

November 1, 2009 9:41 PM

the union members are only too happen to push Ford over a cliff. Remember: a bankrupt Ford will be run the union and subsidized by taxpayers. we've been down this road before. the union guys are pretty shrewd... if you buy a uaw car, you are supporting the obama thugocracy.

Detroit Trouble

November 1, 2009 10:38 PM

Looks like the end of the road for the UAW. Now they can sit back and watch potential products go to Mexico and Canada. That is, if Ford survives. Heck, Ford's best car, the Fusion, is already built in Mexico. The critically acclaimed Fiesta will also come from Mexico. Let's start importing Ford cars from China while we're at it. What is wrong with this picture? 99.9% of the people I talk to and work with think the UAW members are idiots.

mark cardis

November 1, 2009 11:00 PM

U idiotic Ford Union UAW Workers,, When Ford ends up like Dodge and GMC... Dont go crying on my news channels due to your greed tactics..Why dont you take a trip through Toyotas Truck factory in Texas and see how and why their workers are happy and safe.......You Damn Union Liberals,,,Your greed is destroying this Great Nation....I would be happy to replace you Union Workers in Fords Truck Factory with Toyotas pay...Im willing to bet the quality of Ford Products become better built due to my magic,,,

Bill

November 2, 2009 7:15 AM

I, for one, am tired of the union being bailed out by the Federal Government. That's right, OUR Federal Government. DELPHI pensions given to PBGC? Well, we'll just top off the union pensions so no one loses anything. In case the union guys don't realize, Ford is mortgaged to the hilt and has been taking federal handouts.

Ford employees, don't talk with your mouth full. It won't be for long.

David

November 2, 2009 7:17 AM

The reality is, union or not, the compnay you work for has to be profitable. Otherwise you are not going to have a job for long.

ps

November 2, 2009 7:54 AM

Why don't the unions do what they always do? Give great stuff to the guys with seniority and screw the young guys.
No wonder why Michigan is going down the tubes.

Patriot

November 2, 2009 10:26 AM

Join the American revolution. Encourage your friends to only buy non-UAW autos. Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai make fantastic vehicles using American labor that's not contaminated by Stone Age Union rules. Unions are free to continue to negotiating un-economical contracts with their employers. But when that uneconomical business model collapses (see GM, Chrysler, et al) and they come with their hands out to non-union workers(taxpayers) to bailout their folly, it's time for an American Revolution.

R Gardner

November 2, 2009 10:53 AM

This is taken straight from the UAW website on why the UAW is good for America.... "After years of service, workers deserve a secure retirement. Unfortunately, only 51 percent of non-union workers receive retirement benefits through their employer, through either a traditional pension or a 401(k) account. In stark contrast, 86 percent of union workers have employer-provided retirement benefits."

This represents the fundamental flaw in the thinking of union (and to some extent, American) society. The concept that workers should be paid in perpetuity for work already performed.

Let's put this in perspective: what if every time you got a pizza delivered, you had to pay an extra $3.50 tip every month for the rest of your life? You only purchased a contracted service - you bought the pizza, they delivered it to you. End of discussion, right? Why should the pizza boy get money from you in the future for a job you already paid him to do in the past? You'd never buy a pizza from them again.

The sheer concept that "workers deserve a secure retirement" that is based upon others' continued labour is beyond selfish - its simply unsustainable. Retirement planning is the responsibility of the individual, not of the employer or society at large.

John

November 2, 2009 12:03 PM

"Why do these union folks consistently complain about the pay scale/salaries/bonuses of the CEOs? If you don't like your position in the business world go be a CEO! We all have choices."

Not a bad idea Dan. Here's another one. Perhaps the CEOs should work the line for a couple of years to get a good idea of how the rest of the world lives. Perhaps there'd be less desire to pound them into the ground.

Brian

November 2, 2009 12:52 PM

If I was Ford management, I would "thank" the UAW members for their decision ... by relocating as much production as possible to Canada (where the union approved concessions) or other lower labor cost countries.

The UAW workers have some of the most lucrative pay and benefits in the country for assembly line workers. There are PLENTY of other workers who would be happy to take those jobs with less pay and less benefits.

It's about time that Ford show the UAW who signs the paychecks .... FORD.

Fundamentally Wrong

November 2, 2009 1:02 PM

The sheer concept that "workers deserve a secure retirement" that is based upon others' continued labour is beyond selfish - its simply unsustainable

The concept has a name...it's called SOCIALISM....and it's going to sink our ship.

josh

November 2, 2009 1:04 PM

Go UAW! Relieved to see the UAW isn't participating in the pro-corporatist race for the bottom. Its hard to believe Unions destroy business as Ford posts a nearly 1 Billion dollar 3rd quarter profit (http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/nov2009/db2009112_075062.htm)!

Bill

November 2, 2009 1:45 PM

The UAW is really looking bad for this one. They should be thankful they still have jobs.

Ford could shutdown those plants and move the jobs to Canada or Mexico.

I have no use for the UAW who is in bed with the Obama Administration. Obama gave them a stake in GMC, when the investors and bondholders got nothing.

I will not invest in GM products, stocks, or bonds. Because of the UAW we do not purchase any thing that is union made.

Unions used to be great for this country, until they got to greedy and power hungry.

Yaroukh

November 2, 2009 6:18 PM

Spit on UAW, a disgrace to all working people. Carcinogen parasites, that is what UAW is.

Dennis - www.lemireconsulting.com

November 3, 2009 9:43 AM

Josh- They lost almost 15 billion in 2008, which my non-union math tells me is a little more than the 1 bil 3Q profit. Look at the whole picture please.

As a non-union person reading this it amazes me the disconect that has materialized between union workers and the rest of the US. The entitlement mentality is amazing to read.

There is a guy actually talking about profit sharing in a company that LOST 15 BILLION dollars last year! Did you give Ford money for profit LOSING.

If you could only see how foolish all of this looks from non-union eyes.

Lou

November 4, 2009 10:22 AM

The latest estimates show that on average, $2500 is what gets added to the price of every American car thanks to the UAW. This is why I'm STILL driving my 2001 Ford F-150, and will keep driving it until the wheels fall off...no way does it make sense to buy a new truck or car every 4 years to help support this union nonsense.

chris Brown

November 4, 2009 4:05 PM

I've just recently lost my job due to the economy. The sheer thought that the UAW is 'OWED' something right now kills me. I'd give my right arm right now to work on an assembly line for $12/hr if that's what my family needed me to do. Grow up a little & realize that it's not the companies responsibility to pay you great wages, give you better benefits than most have, AND pay for your retirement. How about saving your money like most americans for retirement & quit depending on US to buy your OVERPRICED product to support your cushy retirement. I hope Ford brightens up & sends the work elsewhere or decide to deal with non-union workers.

PWGerv

November 5, 2009 1:16 AM

UAW + "Relieved to see the UAW isn't participating in the pro-corporatist race for the bottom. Its hard to believe Unions destroy business as Ford posts a nearly 1 Billion dollar 3rd quarter profit" is a perfect example of ignorance

momic

November 5, 2009 12:49 PM

I own 5 US made UAW automobiles. NEVER repeat NEVER will own another. The UAW and comrade Obama took stock from my retirement fund. I will not buy a UAW vehicle again.
The Chinese and Indian car companies can not get here fast enough. All five of my cars need to be replaced soon.

ps

November 10, 2009 7:58 AM

Just shift more production to Mexico. After all that's where world beaters like the Fusion come from. UAW=Arrogance and stupidity.

g

November 12, 2009 7:35 PM

the economy is in the hole right? spendin g by americans is non existent! most companys are freezing or lowering pay. if union workers are so OVER paid then why arent the rest of americans able to afford things? maybe everyone else is just not making enough! i am a union worker at a fortune 100 company that has NEVER lost money and see the unequal treatment of the union-non union workers from the company and i am not lazy i lift an average of 30000 pounds a day and in ten yrs have never had a 40 hr wk! not by choice. non-union workers in my industry on average are making the same they were 10 yrs ago. now are eggs, bread,milk,clothes,meat the same they were 10 yrs ago? you give back to the companies and they never want to give it back! in mexico what are the guys making 10 dollars an hour? is ford selling the fusion for 14000? no more like 27000. see the companys give back! and if i am not making money then i am not going to your hotel,or your mall or going out to eat! and outsourcing isnt good for any of us in the end!

ps

November 13, 2009 12:19 PM

G- The company has been hemorraging money for several years and is finally starting to get righted. What is wrong with cutting down on the job rule books and some givebacks?

VN

November 15, 2009 5:50 PM

With so many having no pay check or little of one you would think the UAW and their CEO's would feel somewhat guilty for what they continue to take. The safety laws will never change, we are the USA and will protect.It is about time for all of you to take the cuts millions of us have had to take. Loosing your 1000 bonus, how dare you complain on that issue. I want to buy a Ford but would prefer it be built other than the USA where they don't feel like they are owed something from their customers. Being on the line of a car manufacturer is tough I will give you all that but there are so many other jobs so much tougher with less compensation. Is that is a good thing?, we are fat and lazy as it is. If outsourcing is what it takes to get your heads out of your butt's then so be it! No wonder why you are all Dem., the unions were almost under control until you and the bosses bought Obama.

DG

November 18, 2009 8:38 PM

Hasn't Ford been bragging that they didn't have to accept government loans? If the management doesn't have to live by the bankruptcy imposed compensation packages why should the workers?

Hourly pay accounts for 8% of vehcile cost, does anybody believe that is what drove these companies to bankruptcy? Please do some research.

For those espousing the purchase of foreign vehicles please don't complain when you lost your job or are forced to accept a pay cut - you chose to support the low road!

Bill

December 22, 2009 5:21 AM

It's nice to see uneducated people earning far more than they're worth. Indeed, when I see people of this caliber COMPLAINING that they ONLY make $21 per hour, I get rather pissed. If you'd studied in high school perhaps you wouldn't have the worries of a job sticking pipes together in inferior quality for $40k a year. Seriously, abolish the unions, save the economy, and get these unskilled people in the $20k to $30k range where they belong.

Don

December 27, 2009 4:49 PM

After a 40 chevy, 49 chevy,59 chevy, 68 chevy,68 olds, 89 mercury...and 52 years as a consumer, who cares for the USA ..

I'm bailing out of this train wreck .. pound sand UAW and Gov't Motors.

Craig NY

March 10, 2010 10:38 AM

Well - having seen the UAW in action for the Obama campaign, his election, and the aftermath, I will NEVER purchase a vehicle constrcted by a UAW member. I am a union member myself - however when teh working man supports an administration that is all about giving those NON-working men money from the sweat of workers - well that's a contridiction in terms. For over 20-years I have always bought American, Ford, Chryslers - always. Well, today I am trading in my '05 Mustang for a Jap truck. If anyone was to tell me that I would have done this two-years ago, I would have said you're nuts. Get all you can now UAW leader and membership - because you have lost support from the working class in this country - that goes for the Teamsters as well!

Craig NY

March 10, 2010 10:46 AM

DG - You're lost. For those espousing the purchase of foreign cars, we have a clue and are sending a message to those with your frame of mind. Me, I am happily retired on a state pension - where there are MANY like me. And if you're symptomatic of that some may lose their jobs due to not supporting the likes of you - well, those you speak of will only lose their jobs by sustaining the likes of you. If the CEO's and fat cats are making money - well, then that’s CAPITALISM! Look it up - it works pretty well when it’s not strong-armed. I'd rather take my prospect with brakes on a Toyota than a membership who supports the contradiction of Capitalism - which you have proved my point with your harangue of us who disagree with the creed of the UAW!

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