Ever listened very carefully for actual content (so-called message) in a political speech? Especially one from the foaming mouth of a damned Crat? The very worst is Edwards at this point, with Billary not trailing by a lot. Obama mentions no specifics. And needless to say, Al Gore is the newly crowned King of Hot Aire--due, of course to his Global Warming propaganda. Yet to be proven, by the way. But his campaign has sure fattened his checking accounts--and this was most likely his goal.

Kiley, you say 'concepts' are supposed to excite. All very Hollywood, and about as worthless as its leftist celluloid 'products'. Ever considered packing up the BMV and just driving off the set?

Stick to car talk, and forget the politics. I'm a tree hugger and a moderate Republican - the two coexist quite readily. The "Swift Boat Veterans" were spot-on in their criticism of Hanoi John Kerry, by the way; every day seems to bring about a stronger realization that Sen. Inhoufe and the Global Warming resistance was correct, as well.

Steve, unfortunately politics is very much a part of the car biz, like it or not. My politics are similar to yours especially regarding the 'trees', Kiley is naught but a foaming at the mouth Crat. And of course the Swiftboat Vets were spot-on. Some kind of proof is all the bitching and moaning the Crats did in trying to shoot it all down.

That Global Warming was/remains a means of further fattening Gore is now more understood. But these days, as always, I suppose, there are those who will believe anything. They don't let facts get in their way.

Have something for you to read re: Toyota: Forbes DEC 24/07 p.100. Puts the lie to Kiley's dissing the Sequoia and Tundra. Like driving a chopstick thru a turd. both politics and cars.